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33 responses to “Who’s Who in The New Golden Age”
I know this as a “Thomasonian” , Roy Thomas’ birthday was Nov 22,1940 so the first JSA meeting was retconned to match that date.
Very clever of y’all to release this as a flip podcast, forcing me to buy two copies so I can file one with each title. I am willing to bet it was Shah’s idea.
Ok, so we are playing the controversy card, aren’t we? Well, then I’m going to side with Mr Rob Kelly regarding the retconning of stuff into actual existing comics that don’t have the stuff. Don’t. You don’t want to list Flahspoint whatever as first appearance? Fine, come up with some invented golden age titles where the action happened: All-Atomic, Most funny comics, Adventurous comics… that’s where this happened.
I have very mixed feelings with all this. Ecstatic new JSA and Stargirl comics coming, but the retro sidekicks and time travelling Legionnaires… they will REALLY need to sell it to me.
That aside, the surprint in the Aquaman entry…boy, Ordway just keeps getting better and better.
That’s a good point. They should have no only list some made up titles as the first appearance (close to the original title but just far enough away to not be it), and then actually published the adventure under that title! Not today, but at some point, when the story of these characters is completed. So maybe The Harlequin’s Son first shows up in “Infinitors Inc #1”. Or Cherry Bomb shows up in Policing Comics #25. And then we get that story published a few months from now.
I’m actually fine with them listing comics that already existed. If we go with the conceit that we’re on Earth-Prime, and these stories get in the creators’ heads through trans-dimensional psychic reverberations (as, you know, happens), then this would be how a history change in one reality would be reflected a couple realities over. I just want them to publish the NEW version of those old comics, DC Dave, in accordance with your suggestion.
Great episode! Always good to hear JSA talk and Who’s Who talk!
A few thoughts in order of remembering.
Aquaman – As a kid, I always thought there was no Earth 2 Aquaman because, as mentioned, in those one panel explanations about the multiverse, it always showed Aquaman and Dr. Fate as a way to differentiate. So for me I wouldn’t have believed it until I heard the different origin story. That seems to cinch the whole thing.
Ladybug – I think it ultimately is going to be revealed the ‘Michael’ is Miguel. A long lived bee with the same name? Too much comic coincidence.
Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher – probably my favorite new characters. As a kid who grew up through the bicentennial, I love this idea.
Harlequin’s Son – this was an idea that was actually pitched for the real Infinity Inc. comic! For some reason he wasn’t used. So kudos to Johns for dusting this character off!
The Legionnaire – I have two theories. One, it is Karth Am, the android who claimed to be Timber Wolf while he brainwashed the real Wolf that Brin was the android. The outline if vaguely feral. The other theory is that it is Duplicate Boy, who could have all the powers of the Legion .. hence THE Legionnaire.
I love all these characters and love the idea of missing sidekicks.
But a Who’s That episode about The Red Bee when the people have been clamoring for a Dr. Tzin-Tzin episode of that show seems cruel. Do the right thing for your audience!
Hmmm, having reread the issue last night because of the show I am now thinking that the Legionnaire might be ‘Corky’, the proactive member of the Time Masters in the comic.
Of course, I also thought the red-headed bad guy time-hopping might also be Corky.
Dr. Anj: It would not surprise me at all if Geoff Johns reveals that Per Degaton is actually the future version of Corky.
Corky probably got the idea for the name when he saw an ad for cork being sold at a special price “per degaton”…
“Release the Tzin-Tzin Cut…”
What a great episode! Somehow I failed to grab this issue when it was released, but I’ll soon correct that error. Over the last few years, I’ve become totally disenchanted with the DCU & your discussion made me miss Geoff Johns’ stewardship all the more. He certainly understands these heroes & their histories. I’ve got the final season of Stargirl on my dvr & will be watching it over Xmas.
Rob & Shag, they’re at it again!
You gotta love the passion. If you didn’t care, you probably wouldn’t have built a podcast empire. It’s always fun to listen to the two of you.
You have to wonder, if Green Arrow hadn’t been a member of The Seven Soldiers of Victory, would he have had an Earth-2 counterpart.
I do understand Shag’s point of view. I just don’t agree with it. In my mind, Earth-2 Aquaman simply had so little use for the surface world, he simply refused to venture onto land unless absolutely necessary. He never joined the JSA and therefore never joined The All-Star Squadron. He let bed most of his life out at sea, was therefore more of a myth to Earth-2. That’s why he was seen so rarely.
As for the fake first appearances of these new Golden Age characters, I feel there should at least have been an asterisk. Something to indicate this WOULD have been their first appearances. There may be comic book readers who mistakenly believe that Harlequin’s Son did indeed make his debut in Infinity Inc. issue 1. Years from now, it will possibly confuse even more people. There was a better way to do it.
I was thrilled when I saw Shag’s announcement for this. I listened to it early on its release date and, boy oh boy, it didn’t disappoint.
I did what Rob did after reading the Betsy Ross and Molly Pitcher entry. I went to a couple different comic databases looking for MILITARY COMICS #6 to verify their first appearance, then MILITARY COMICS #7. It dawned on me that I had been duped, but not until the same thing happened with CHERRY BOMB’s reported POLICE COMICS #25 appearance. As you guys pointed out, the format was consistent with the original 80s Who’s Who… down to the split FIRST APPEARANCES for Betsy and Molly (first with their alter-ego appearance in #6 and their superhero debut in #7). PRETTY SNEAKY SIS!!
I think it is clever and fun… but I think, like Rob, that their cute move strays from the factual intent of the original Who’s Who series. As I pointed out when Shag interviewed me for JLE #27 on the JLI Bwahaha Podcast, I relied on Power Girl’s entry to find out her first appearance was All-Star Comics #58. Oh well. So fun that Johns and Company did it… a great homage to the DCU… with the story and the Who’s Who entries. I love it!
Fellas! Long time, no comment. Even though I haven’t been commenting in a while I’ve still been listening to the various FW Podcasts whenever I can. I got waaaay behind on Who’s Who so I’ve been catching up lately. And let me tell you, this episode was a treat, for many reasons, but largely because it reminded me of how much fun I had listening to you guys argue about Golden Age Aquaman nine years ago—I remember it like it was yesterday! And your new discussion was equally entertaining, if a little less argumentative, ha ha!
Shag and Rob, I started listening to your original show so long ago now, and it was right after I went through some life altering stuff that changed me, for the better, while also rekindling my love of comics. I discovered your show back then at the same time as I was digging back knot my long boxes and beginning to frequent my LCS again. Listening to you guys helped get me through a tough transition period in my life, and for that I’ll always be grateful. Shag coining “Find your joy” back then really resonated with me and I’ve been doing my very best to find and follow my joy wherever it leads me since. Thank you for both that.
I’ll be back to comment sooner than last time! And in the meantime I’ll keep tabs on you on social media. Always a pleasure to listen to you two talk comics. This episode was great! Keep on doing what you do, because it really does matter to whole lot of us.
A) Maybe I missed it across multiple podcasts and a dozen or so years, but did Shag ever propose a valid alternative to where the Golden Age Aquaman stories took place? There’s plenty of evidence that he was never a proper member of the Justice Society of America, but if he didn’t exist on Earth-2, was he chilling with Commander Steel on Earth-1? Wonder Woman was active during World War II on both Earths, so were they the trinity before Superman and Batman were born? Is there an Earth-A that belonged solely to Aquaman? Like Stan Lee, we don’t give No-Prizes to people with no imagination for how what was printed is actually correct with the right context. Anyway, lovely and appropriate work by Jerry Ordway.
B) Not to spoil the reveal being set up by their Who’s Who entry, but true GA aficionados know that “Betsy” was actually an unnamed member of The Anti-Crime Club who confessed feelings of gender noncompliance to their new role model Miss America. They were taken to Madame Fatal for help transitioning, and thus “Betsy Ross” was born, never acknowledging in print their “x-name.” Of course, this was all documented in the way out of continuity Corn Fed #1, a 1972 underground comic by Kim Deitch, so I’m not sure if Johns can legally make direct reference to that tale.
C) Molly Pitcher was clearly one of Elmer Wexler’s lesser creations, and I assume that she’ll be the Red Bee of The Lost Children. Geoff Johns has a pattern, after all. Hopefully he’ll leave the corpse intact for an open casket. Perhaps an ironic drowning?
Uncle Frank makes a good point. My Dad told me once that on pre-Crisis Earth One, Superman was supposed to be the first superhero on the planet. That was likely a reason why Steel, which Gerry Conway envisioned to be an obscure Earth One hero in WWII in 1978, was retconned into being from Earth Two in All-Star Squadron in 1982. Aquaman did fight WWII Nazis in his earlier adventures, which would not have taken place on Earth One if they pre-date Superman.
The early adventures of Aquaman in established Earth One comics show him as a teenage “Aquaboy” in a few Superboy adventures, again implying that Superboy came first.
It’s likely that DC’s thought at the time was that the Aquaman adventures that took place before he got his octopus sidekick Topo (which was shortly before his new origin story) never happened, since comic readers grow out of reading their books after 5 years and everyone throws away their old comics… so who was going to know?
Still listening. While I still disagree with Shag about the existence of the Earth 2 Aquaman, I will say he finally convinced me that he at least has a valid argument, even if I don’t agree with it.
The thing is, the Earth-Two Superman, as published and defined from 1969 to 1985 wasn’t QUITE the Golden Age Superman either. Somewhere along the way, it was decided this Clark Kent was a reporter, (then later editor-in-chief) for the Daily Star, because briefly in the earliest days of the strip, the Daily Star was ONE of the names given to the newspaper Clark and Lois Lane worked at. But most GA stories featured the classic Daily Planet setting. So, you have to retcon nearly every Golden Age Superman story if you want to make it Earth-Two-appropriate. Replace the Star with the Planet, and replace editor Perry White with George Taylor, being the main things you need to change.
So, is the Earth-Two Superman invalid? In the actual GA comics, Clark wasn’t working for the Daily Star when he first encountered some of his rogues like Toyman, Prankster, Mr. Mxytplk (his name was spelled slightly different, remember). This was an arbitrary decision by a later editor/writer. It wasn’t revealed that Clark and Lois were married until the big anniversary issue in Action Comics #484 either. That became a huge cornerstone for THAT version of Superman, but it too, was a retcon. Much like Aquaman existing on Earth-Two, after it was alluded to he didn’t, despite Golden Age comics that said otherwise, based on the basic “formula” of “Golden Age = Earth-Two”.
And in my beloved All-Star Squadron #31, Liberty Belle is certain Aquaman exists…he is just hard to reach at sea. So, whether he showed up or not, yes Virginia, there IS (or was) an Earth-Two Aquaman.
That’s really the conceit, isn’t it? The Golden Age stories are the GA stories. Since Earth-2 was created in 1961, it “technically” would/could be a different set of characters. So any reference to those characters after 1961, are clearly Earth-2 characters who had adventures that took place during the Golden Age / World War 2 era.
It’s almost like the Quality characters. Those characters aren’t exactly the same as the DC version of those characters. The DC version, thanks to Roy Thomas, had them originate on Earth-2, before migrating to Earth-X.
And while I understand Shag’s argument, I would say the biggest hole in his argument is the “their origins have been altered.” At the end of the day, Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Green Arrow – boiled down, their origins are still, basically the same. Someone murders Bruce’s parents. A dying planet rockets a baby to Earth. The Amazons are home to Diana. Rich playboy stranded.
But Aquaman’s Golden and Silver Age origins are markedly different. I think it’s a bit too far to hand wave away the “human experimented on by his father” and “son an an Atlantian and a human.” to make those the same. If that’s the case, wouldn’t Supergirl-Matrix and Kara Zor-El be the same character? All that changed was their origin.
Where’s Roy Thomas when you need him?
Green Arrow’s origin was substantially changed in the Silver Age. The origin that I knew when reading the backup stories teary 1950’s did not involve an island, but it was closely tied to how Oliver acquired a Native American tribal member as a ward.
D) Odd that Rob referred to “Cherry Bomb” as a phrase, like it was a term coined by The Runaways or John Cougar Mellencamp, instead of a firework dating back to at least the 1920s (we’ve lived long enough to have to specify which “the twenties.”) My mom once held a lit cherry bomb too long and injured her hand enough to have to go to the hospital, which was probably in the late ’50s (still good on that one for most/all of our remaining lives.) Glad that DC has retconned some women of color into their Golden Age heroes, and that I’ve mostly given up on Elon Musk’s Twitter to avoid any dudebros explaining how there couldn’t have been any African-American chemists in the 1940s.
E) I’ve gone through both comment threads for this episode, and I’m sincerely disappointed to find that I seem to be the first Whoosier to note that Harlequin’s Son dates back to the development of Infinity Incorporated in 1982. As revealed by Rob’s buddies TwoMorrows Publishing in 1999’s Alter Ego Vol. 3 #1, “The Secret Origins of Infinity, Inc.” available both in the magazine and Collection Volume One, was an image (presumably by co-creator Mike Machlan) of the prospective new Harlequin. “Northwind is shown–but at his side (see P. 33) is a new, young, male Harlequin, who Jerry’s notes suggest might become ‘comics’ first ‘gay’ character. Or we could just assume it.’ Not a bad idea, and maybe we should have played it that way; but we were already going to have two Green Lantern-derived heroes in Infinity, Inc.” A further note alongside the illustration, “a new Harlequin had to wait for the ‘Manhunter’ super-crossover a few years later.” The drawing itself offers, “I think this guy’d be fun… He’d probably be a care-free fun loving valley-boy who’d be gagging everyone with- spoons”. Man, they sure loved their hyphens and questionable conjunctions back then. See for yourself on the publisher’s blog. Too bad we didn’t get this in the ’80s (I’ll definitely be dead by 2080,) and again, not sorry to miss ComicsGaters bleating on about the SJWs gay agenda in my social media.
Impressive podcast most impressive.
I am glad that the Geoff Johns brought back harlequins son. Since he was originally supposed to be in the infinity Inc. comic. However editorial didn’t allow Roy Thomas to add him to the book. I may have first learn about this in the Jerry Ordway art book that was put out years ago. I think you did a drawing of him. Any rate I’m fairly certain Alan Scott is his father. Which would make sense since that’s too harlequin was in love with for all those years. And they did get married for a bit. They just happened to be that one reason why it didn’t work out. Him being well you know gay. I think a lot of what was to be his story was dropped on obsidian. But I’m not certain. So that would make obsidian and Jade his half brother and sister. Since they are the children of Rose and the thorn along with green lantern. And he’s the son of harlequin and Green Lantern. So though the smell doesn’t come from this world’s Joker.
Unless Geoff Johns changed the origin. Which is possible since this world is being affected by Per Degaton. I’m assuming Batman taught his daughter how to fight and her detective skills. Even though in this world she doesn’t become Robin like she does in the earth to new 52. Which in that world it was Selena encouraged Bruce to teacher her. Then again she had to have some sort of training if she’s able to as a small child catch Bruce unaware in stabbing in the side with a knife. If you say she snuck up on it. Well let’s be honest sneaking up on the Batman isn’t the easiest thing in the world. So she must learn something from her mother about seeking about. Cool Golden age Aquaman now has been brought back into continuity. Yellow gloves and all. He’s not quite as cool as a mobile version, but he’ll do. 🙂 Sorry Rob I had to make that joke. Maybe it’s me, but Power Girl once again kind of gets the oy personality. For some reason other than Amanda Connors and Jimmy Palmiotti’ s run. She gets the most oy runs ever.
I almost forgot Justin Gray was on the run as well. The boom seems fine as does ladybug. Read the fans are probably very happy that he is now a legacy character. All four of them 🙂 . I kid. Still interesting to have her added into continuity. Ms. America sidekick seems fine. As does the John Henry Irons character. I remember him briefly from the movie version of a new frontier. And it does seem interesting to make still a legacy character. I’m guessing red lanterns daughter will become this worlds version of Red Star. Though I am assuming she will be removed from the Soviet Union connection. Probably an ex-patriot. After all they did try to experiment on her and probably got her father killed. Though maybe he’ll be a mentor to her through the force that the red lantern gives her power from. I am glad that Huntress is the focus of the storyline. Since she is one of my favorite characters.
I wonder how they’ll treat Robin and all of this? Judging from the panel where they re-created that scene from infinity crisis. Just replacing Tim Drake with Huntress and Batman with Green Lantern. As well as having the other heroes around them. Power girl has reached at least her 40s. Is that the boom in the picture? Or did Jesse quick assume the mantle of flash when Jay Garrick past or retired? I haven’t read this issue. Though it seems promising. Dr. fate seems to be on a bit of a hot streak. With this and of course his appearance in the Black Adam movie. Though will have to see. At any rate can’t wait to see where this goes. Was cool to see Shag and Rob cover this issue. The who’s who listing within it makes it the perfect book for y’all to cover. Any rate can’t wait to hear the next podcast.
I think I can settle the decade long debate over whether there was a Golden Age Aquaman, at least in Geoff Johns’ mind. Today I read the Flashpoint Beyond graphic novel, which contains Issues 0-6 of that comic book which came out this year (2022). On one of the pages, it shows monitors with the names of all the characters in the GOLDEN AGE Who’s Who entries. None of them existed before this Flashpoint Beyond Issue #6, presumably including Golden Age Aquaman. Why would he be the ONLY one of all of them who DID exist before? To wit, Geoff Johns just created Golden Age Aquaman. Or, I could be wrong. Just a theory.
I loved the bonus at the end: The long lost episode of ‘Seinfeld’ in which George and Jerry debate the existence of the Earth 2 Aquaman.
I wondered why the designers did not use the classic 1985 Who’s Who entry style, until I tried putting an entry in my dad’s reconstructed “Xum’s Who” template, and found out it wouldn’t fit. I had to reduce both the font size and line spacing to get all of the text in, as well as crop a sliver of the art on top…
Great! Can you fix the other ones too?
Sorry. Too busy repairing the comic book historical timeline…
Brilliant episode, Rob and Shag. Now, I know there are a lot of Earth 1/Earth 2 conspiracy theories floating about, but let me set the record straight. Ladies and gentlemen, look at the evidence. Yellow gloves, yellow fins, a trident that is actually a trident. Look at the way this Aquaman throws a polar bear. It’s at a high angle. But the polar bear seemed to attack the bad guys from a flat low trajectory. How could this be? And finally, look at this Aquaman swim. If you witnessed it from the Seagrassy Knoll, you’d notice as he glides through the water his head goes back and to the left. Back and to the left. Back and to the left. Someday, somewhere, someone might find out the damned truth. We better, or we might as well build ourselves a new universe. The truth is the most important value we have. Do not forget your dying king. Yes, there was a second Aquaman.
Great episode, guys! The story and Who’s Who pages certainly gave you plenty to talk about, making a great double-show podcast. A masterpiece of economy. Hats off to you for doing it.
I really loved the issue myself. Did I have questions or problems with it? Sure, but more important, I was entertained and anxious to see what comes next. And boy, I’m so happy seeing Todd Nauck’s artwork in this and Stargirl’s mini-series. Pitch perfect for these characters.
Back to your discussion, I’m really torn about the Who’s Who pages here myself, and apologize if this was already covered. Do you guys consider Who’s Who to be a character biography or a publication history? If it’s a character biography, then entries can cover anything the writer wants and do not have to be strictly beholden to details that are published somewhere. If it’s a publication history, then a detail can be included if and only if some published work describes said information. The entries themselves have implied “publication history” solely by stating “First appearance”. But if you put that aside and allow for imaginary first appearance entries, then it can be a character biography. But have other Who’s Who entries included unpublished details before? That includes from work that might have been produced by creators, but never published.
Another silly thought exercise: what if an unpublished Dick Dillin story is found one day, and there’s an original character in it, and some other creator includes that character in a new story. Should the Who’s Who entry first appearance be that Dillin story or the new one? I know, I have too much time on my hands.
I suggest looking up Vixen’s Who’s Who entry for your “first appearance in an unpublished story” (the planned Vixen #1 in 1978) question…
F) I’ve been revisiting Golden/Silver Age pastiches recently, trying to figure out why a guy like me who often embraces retroactive continuity (Triumph formed the proto-JLA) but just never warmed to stuff like 1963 or Big Bang Comics. A huge part of it is simply the aping of a writing style that I don’t care for in too-faithful cloying “homage.” That’s why I can thoroughly enjoy guys like James Robinson, Jeff Lemire, and even Mark Millar when they pull a Madmen and write period with contemporary flavor and sophistication. The other issue though is the sheer meaninglessness of meticulously replicating an already existent catalog of interchangeable straight, white, able-bodied male super-heroes that are mostly available in the public domain anyway. If Roy Thomas was trying to revisit Amazing Man as an African-American in the early 1980s, why were these goons still serving up mayonnaise on Wonderbread decades later? And especially within the DC Universe, already fit to bursting with icons, why wouldn’t you use retroactive continuity to inject some diversity (again, as in the gay Triumph?) While I did prefer John Irons being inspired by John Henry in The New Frontier rather than being directly associated (DC nepo-babies abound,) I’m all in favor of bringing the character concept into the core continuity. My only complaint is– what kind of teenager in 1953 was shaving their head?
G) I liked the Garricks’ childlessness as a motivation for their super-heroic teen fostering, and also the world does not need another damned speedster, so boo to The Boom. Likewise, did the Latin representation have to resemble El Chapulín Colorado and Bumblebee Man from The Simpsons? Ladybug is pretty cringe as a result.
H) Not sure about █ █ █ █, especially when the actual █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ █ didn’t appear until █ █ █ █ and shouldn’t predate █ █ █ █ █ in my book.
I) It’s weirdly kinda cool to see someone reach back to Thaddeus Brown. I mean, the guy did originate the Mr. Miracle name, costume, and act. I wonder if that hurt Scott Free, actually, having such a passive role in the formation of his alter ego?
J) Nice to see East Indian representation in Quiz Kid, though I don’t envy anyone getting stuck with the Mister Terrific (or Red Bee) legacy. That costume if fairly hideous.
K) Salem the Witch Girl works very well as a new wave Who’s Who entry. The original format didn’t allow for color combinations this wild. The purples paired with the lime greens are something. I also like the white hair paired with that skin color. I’m struggling to not think of Salem the cat from Sabrina the Teenage Witch, and I barely watched that show. The context is just too similar, including this Witch Girl having her own black cat familiar. Just too familiar. Also, the entry itself is awkwardly written. Plus, horrid retconned parallels to stupid modern concepts like “Justice Society Dark” make me want to hurl. Lydia Deetz as an anti-heroine isn’t the worst premise, but it’s hard seeing her paired with Dr. Fate in general, but especially in color. Good thing there’s only one color in the surprint.
L) I should be on board for Evil Commie Lantern, and I really enjoy Brandon Peterson’s art in general, but this is another one that’s not working for me. The crude, off-balance logo reminds me of the talent lost to “lettering” shifting from calligraphy/graphic design to just loading a set of fonts into a computer program. True story: I approached several professional letterers in hopes of commissioning a logo for Rolled Spine Podcasts. I talked to one of the highest profile ones, who does all the work for one of comics’ most prominent writers, at the first Fire & Water HeroesCon. Ultimately, he just sent me a bunch of prepackaged fonts as a “starting point” for him to alter/vector/whatever, and I told him that we hoped for something with a more personal touch than the Star Wars font. I think that I was polite and professional, but he got all sore and blew up at me, dismissing us as a bunch of amateurs not worth his time. The funny part is that we never even made it to discussing a price, despite my willingness to allocate a substantial amount if requested. You need an asking price before you can be lowballed, so I honestly just think the guy had an inborn inferiority complex triggered by the slightest pushback. In the end, Mac just whipped something up using an online font program for free, and it worked out fine. Anyway, I bristle whenever I see this chump’s name in credits, and again, he’s got a lot of credits. While lettering artists were a lot more prolific than pencillers, they still had a physical limit that a talentless journeyman font-slinger (presumably with interns or some sort of studio) doesn’t need to concern themselves with. And that’s how the world ended up with a Red Lantern logo that looks like Charlie Brown hung an ornament on it. The color scheme and overall character design is rather dull, as well.
The new movie, Justice Society World War II, shows Aquaman on the back cover.
It’s nice to see that mom and dad can get along for the kids.
Kidding aside, this was a ton of fun to listen to. It was great to get more Who’s Who pages! The story of the comic aside, I really loved these new characters done in the Who’s Who style. I don’t know about the rest of you, but I REALLY want to read more about Red Lantern.
I’m sure this was done in a past episode, but is there any new character that people would want a Who’s Who page for?
Well done, gentlemen! Keep up the great work!