THE FANTASTIC POUR
Brett welcomes his good pal Ray Pickersgill to the Fantasti-Lounge to talk Wolverine! We enjoy an Old Fashioned and read the Wolverine Limited Series #1 – 4. Join us in the Fantasti-Lounge as we discuss: Is Wolverine is cooler in the woods or Japan? Why can’t the Hand beat anybody? Did Ray waste $20 on Zima? And much, much more!
Secret Pour-igins: Old Fashioned
Cocktail: The Best at What I Drink, and What I Drink is an Old Fashioned.
Ingredients
- 1 teaspoon sugar
- 3 dashes Angostura bitters
- 1 teaspoon water
- 2 ounces bourbon (RAY is using bourbon and BRETT is using rye)
Garnish
- Orange twist
Instructions
- Add the sugar and bitters into a mixing glass, then add the water, and muddle until the sugar is nearly dissolved
- Fill the mixing glass with ice, add the bourbon, and stir until well-chilled.
- Strain into a rocks glass over one large ice cube or multiple ice cubes
- Wipe an orange twist around the glass – which expresses the oil of the orange peel, then drop it into the glass to garnish
Comic: Wolverine #1-4, Marvel Comics, 1982
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It’s kinda funny that your doing a comic starring Logan as I’v launched two shows on my YouTube channel Solomon Kane times . And cyclops long box where Scott summers (me in cosplay ) reviews a comics or book or magazine from his collection.
Here’s a secret question: I’ve bin reading classic x-babies among the other books I’ve bin reading. Here’s the question if you took a x-baby and x-man and could have them have YouTube channel in the marvel universe and see there adventures in YouTube as a back up story who would you choose?
I would like to rogue from x-men evolution and baby rouge (oh the multiverse is play but the x-babies will be 616 versions so baby rouge will have a southern accent. And the green and yellow suit .)
I have never been that big on Wolverine, even as a kid, I liked him, but not any more than the other X-Men. I bought this mini-series, enjoyed it, and was like, “wow, they gave Wolverine his OWN COMIC? That will probably never happen again!”
You and Ray definitely had some frat bro energy happening on the show, a first for this network.
Now for a shocking confession: I started watching LOGAN a few years ago, but 20 minutes in was so bored I turned it off. Never went back to it.
Yeah, not as big on Wolverine, either, and it should be quite clear from my comment to your preceding show that I’m on team Cyclops. I think Wolverine is fine as a member of the X-men – heck, he’s a member of that five-member unit (with Cyclops, Storm, Colossus and Nightcrawler) in the latter part of the Claremont/Byrne run that I consider ‘my’ team. But I’m not as interested in Wolverine as a solo character and esp. not as some kind of marquee character who has to be everywhere all the time.
I should say, though, that as a young X-head in the very early 1980s, I had no problem with the first mini-series you covered in the show, as I was devouring anything to do with the X-men at the time. However, in hindsight I realized that it was the beginning of Wolverine becoming overexposed. And I have to admit, when I went back to re-read the original mini a little later, I found that it didn’t hold up as well for me.
But regardless, I enjoyed the discussion, gentlemen.
p.s. Wolverine’s name is Logan, dammit! Now get off my lawn…
Great discussion, Brett and Ray! Whenever one of us does an episode with somebody we know from our personal lives–an old friend or relative we’ve known since the long, long ago before podcasting–there’s a peculiar energy. I’m not sure I’d call it frat bro like Rob said above, but there’s something there.
To me, while Wolverine may have been born James Howlett, he identifies as Logan, so that’s his name. I never considered that the Wolverine miniseries might be Frank Miller’s best work artistically, but the more I think about it… you may be right. There are certainly parts of his Daredevil that reacher higher highs, such as the duel between Elektra and Bullseye and the subsequent fight between Matt and Bullseye, for example; but as one piece, the Claremont/Miller Wolverine is a bit more polished or refined than Miller’s Daredevil. Certainly more than The Dark Knight Returns, and Sin City was a different animal entirely.
Despite my comment last episode about growing up and realizing Cyclops is the cool one, I have still always liked Wolverine. Yes, he was painfully overexposed in the early/mid-2000s when he appeared in two different X-Men books, plus X-Force, plus New Avengers, plus a Spider-Man/Wolverine team-up book, plus his solo title. That was exhausting. But I think one of the reasons the characters enjoys such popularity is he’s one of the few comic characters that can be presented in two very different ways that both feel ‘true’ to the character. He can be a teammate, joking around with Nightcrawler and Colossus, flirting with Storm and Jean, playing a big brother to Kitty or Jubilee, and offering constructive criticism to Xavier or Cyclops. That’s one Wolverine, the one in the yellow tiger-stripe uniform. He can also be the haunted loner, though, the tortured, weary bastard who has seen too much, done too much. That’s the Wolverine who wears biker jackets and jeans. That’s the Wolverine who kills without remorse. Both feel true to the character without betraying anything, like how you can have a Batman who pals around with a kid sidekick and the Justice League, or a Batman who is psychologically battered and grim, and both Batman iterations feel right.
Fun show, Brett. Can’t wait for next month’s episode on Magneto or Rogue or Iceman or whoever.
Great episode. I do love when the guests know each other from way back because inevitably some inside joke is said and then explained to the audience. I understand all too well! Fantastic!
This mini-series was 100% my introduction to Wolverine. I was a DC guy but as a kid I was fascinated by the concept of ‘mini-series’, something new then. I bought them all. So seeing Wolverine kill the bear and then beat the snot out of those hunters was eye-opening and awesome for someone reading Superman Family and Brave & Bold. And yes, Miller’s work on this is gorgeous!
Of course, I was a young guy so I thought Yukio was the perfect girlfriend and was baffled by his wanting to be with Mariko. As an older man, I understand that you don’t go to DisneyWorld and *only* ride Space Mountain. Dizzying! Exhilirating! But eventually nauseating and exhausting!
I loved the talk about Hulk Hogan and the rote storyline of his matches. It is why Rick Flair will always be the more complete wrestler! Growing up I was a Macho Man Randy Savage guy though. Loved the elbow from the top rope!
A favorite drink of mine!
Loved the conversation, even if I haven’t read the story since I bought it when it was published. I jumped off the X-Men bandwagon pretty early! Nevertheless, that was a great discussion. I loved the wrestling anecdotes!