JSA in the 90s – Spotlight on Ted Grant Wildcat

It’s a Spotlight episode of JSA in the 90s covering TED GRANT WILDCAT!  Stella and The Irredeemable Shag discuss Wildcat’s significant appearances across the 1990s – with special focus on BATMAN/WILDCAT #1-3 (1997) and CATWOMAN/WILDCAT #1-4 (1998) by Chuck Dixon, Beau Smith, and Sergio Cariello! Finally, we wrap up with YOUR listener feedback!

 

 

 

 

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28 responses to “JSA in the 90s – Spotlight on Ted Grant Wildcat”

  1. Excellent observation on the difference between “young” and “old” Wildcat. Following Wildcat’s earlier stories (on the Earth 2 Podcast) compared to Wildcat in the 90s (and from what I remember about the JSA series in the 2000s) I enjoy “old” Wildcat as a mentor to the young heroes.

    He’s been written as a teacher and trainer (is there any hero he *didn’t* teach how to throw a punch?) and it’s more fun to watch him with those young whippersnappers than with his peers.

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  2. 1 Wildcat needs to be old he comes from a time when people cared about boxing
    2 if i’m just some regular DC Writer then wildcat exists on earth-1 (I ONLY HAVE 8 PAGES)
    2A If im some sort “THE Batman WRITER” well then a very bruce reads some book about the Multiverse from dr ocult or maybe one of the two doctors from purple zombie! https://www.amazon.com/Purple-Zombie-Complete-Adventures-Heroic/dp/1532737939 You know young Bruce is interested in a scienciest who may or may not have worked for nazis who’s PARTNER TIME TRAVELED really young bruce would wanna save his parents
    3 Wildcat Catwoman backstory aND IT never came up? NO! That never happened Why would ted Grant train a thief? When did catwoman have Time. I DONT LIKE IT. BUT if you do you can say “who else trained her that well?” uh…Richard dragon?

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    1. I’m not convinced Selina should have any special fighting training, she is one of the greatest thieves in the world and shouldn’t be getting into situations where she has to tussle with the big boys.She should be all about agility and evasion…and that whip. Being trained by Wildcat became such a cliche.

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      2. Thats an excellent point Martin. The only way I think it works is if she was trained on foot work and how to block or avoid a hit. Maybe it makes more sense for both Ted and Selina to have had the same Ballet teacher working on poise, balance and footwork etc.

        As for Catwoman’s status as a Anti Hero – Honestly I’m not sure what status she has these days. I’ve not read many recent Bat books for a while.

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  3. Great show on one of my favorite JSA members! More blue collar than Batman and with the best right cross in the business, no one exemplifies being a mentor in the superhero community more than Ted Grant.

    I think that the only stories that I’ve read out of these is the Robin issue and the Zero Hour appearance. I got back into DC comics through the Dixon-verse (Nightwing, Robin, Birds of Prey) in the later 90s and I didn’t even know that the Batman/wildcat and Catwoman/wildcat miniseries exist. I definitely will pick up the former soon. I tried a couple of issues of the Dixon/Balent Catwoman, but the cheesecake-iness of the art was a little off-putting and it sounds and looks like this miniseries leans into that a bit.

    And we get tips on some new slang in this episode as well. Thanks for helping me keep up w/ my millennial/Gen Z kids.

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  4. Wow! Great Ted Talk! Ted Grant is in my top 3 JSAers, along with Jay Garrick and Alan Scott. I can tell you that I bought the Batman/Wildcat miniseries and loved it. I picked up the 1st issue of Catwoman/Wildcat and decided not to buy the rest. Clearly I did not enjoy it, but honestly don’t remember exactly why.
    As far as Wildcat’s 9 Lives, they were all used up in JSA 53. Wildcat was repeatedly killed by The Crimson Avenger (Jill Carlyle) due to her believing that Ted had committed murder. His 9 Lives are gone, I believe Ted now enjoys Meow Mix.

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    1. I also think in JSA Classified #9 that Wildcat and Flash were in a tough spot, and Ted’s big idea was “I can intentionally let myself get killed to get us out of this. I *think* I have one life left.” And Jay was like “you THINK???!!!” But then he got killed, came back and they won the day. And I really don’t remember anything else about that issue, so I’m sure my details are suspect, except for Ted using his last spare life.

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  5. At the end, when Stella joked that she was 17, it kinda explained her defense of Hal Jordan earlier in the podcast!
    On to Ted Grant. I love Wildcat. Except for the version in Batman: the brave and the bold cartoon where he had those giant white cheeks and the 90 year old man voice. The idea of a pure fighter as a hero has always appealed to me. Rocky Balboa as a superhero.
    Anyway, great show as always

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  6. I have a soft spot for these minis because I really enjoyed the Chuck Dixon-led era of the Batman comics AND we had Beau Smith as a guest at the comic shop I worked at during this period. Beau couldn’t have been a nicer guy, and he even brought goodies for us at the store like color proofs of the covers, which I still have. My memory is foggy now, but I do know he was hopeful that he and Dixon would get to do more with Wildcat.

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  7. I always thought Wildcat should have been played by Bruce Campbell. Ted’s not quite Stallone but does have that old school vibe. I’m not sure if many of the stories hold up, but I did really like the Balent Catwoman at the time. This mini was right in the middle of that period. It might seem a little dated now.

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      1. I always think it’s a bit weird to have Photos on Caskets or even worse Open Caskets at funerals. Often those photos are of the deceased later in life, so I think having a photo of when you are younger and enjoying life makes a some sense. Considering I’ve told the family I want the cheapest pine (or cardboard) box I’m not even sure it would support a photo frame at mine.

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  9. Hello,

    Thanks for replying to my question about The New History of the DC Universe. I am enjoying it quite a bit so far. Yes there are lots of small changes but it is still enjoyable. Speaking of The Spectre though as you talked about him in your comment readings, what did you think of Hal Jordan as The Spectre. I really liked it in concept and in a lot of it’s execution. It sort of was Hal trying to find redemption for the whole Parallax thing, while also teaching God’s Spirit of Vengeance about grace and compassion. Essentially The spirit is going on a parallel journey with the host is how I understood the book. It also answered some questions I had about The Spectre, such as, “does The Spectre only work on Earth?” The book actually explains that no, The Spectre actually exists on every world in a form of omnipresence and the host does as well.
    I sort of hate how the following version of The Spectre goes back to being about vengeance.

    Anyways about Wildcat, so this is super weird but I was just talking to someone about Wildcat on a Facebook comment. It was about favorite JSA/JLA teamups. I answered that mine is a book that looking back I am sure isn’t great but it was a Batman Brave and the Bold that guest stared Wildcat. I know the Brave and the Bold books are suppose to take place on their own Earth or whatever but when I read it I didn’t know that, I just knew the book took place Pre-Crisis. Anyways that was my first introduction to Wildcat. I was super confused because I am like, why is Catwoman a man named Wildcat. LOL Then my dad explained, no that is Wildcat. That he was part of the JSA like the Green Lantern who has a cape and Dr. Fate. How they were heroes when his parents were reading comics when they were younger. -I have a whole other story about that for when you cover a Spotlight on The Flash.

    I really enjoyed Wildcat being in the JLU cartoon. He had a spotlight episode with the underground fight club. I am guessing James Gunn moved up Wildcat in time for he could still be a person training Batman how to box.

    Keep up the great Podcast 🙂

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  10. Great episode. Wildcat was one of those characters I was fascinated by in my very early comics-fandom days, back when I was more about looking at the pictures in comics than reading them. (I think I had some late-’70s All-Star Comics issues and JLA/JSA team-ups.) There’s something about his look that walks the line between superhero and real-world guy that piques my interest. (I’ve always been a fan of “realistic” superheroes; take one guess what my favorite Alan Moore story is.)

    Wildcat as mentor and old-man badass works well for me, so long as it isn’t overused. One great moment was an early issue of Johns’s first JSA series (or was it still Robinson/Goyer then?), when Wildcat’s alone in the bath at HQ when the Injustice Society invades, and he manages to methodically defeat all of them.

    I remember the Batman/Wildcat mini fondly (not sure I read the Catwoman one), and your episode inspired me to reread it for the first time since it came out. It’s fun, but damn, that’s some extremely (or EXTREEEEME!-ly) late-’90s-style art. Also, the trope of supercriminals being kept in a private prison rubs me the wrong way, since it always has a bunch of elements that take me out of the story. (Really? KGBeast and King Snake, who’ve been shown to be highly intelligent master tacticians, are just being held in someone’s basement indefinitely without managing to escape? When they’re let out, why do they attack Batman instead of Lock-Up and Ernie? Also, who’s feeding them? Where do they go to the bathroom? Are they at least given reading material?)

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  11. So my first introduction to Wildcat was in Crisis. Not the best representation of him since that issue crippled him. Plus the story had to assume readers would know who he is to care, or just go along with it. I went along, but not a great starting point.

    What really made him interesting is the Justice Society of America series that you’re covering! This made me care about Ted. He’s tough, funny, heroic, and a crazy old guy in a cat suit. What’s not to love?

    As for these two minis, in spite of how they had elements that kind of leaned into Widcat’s world, they overwhelmingly felt like Bat-stories with Wildcat thrown in. In Batman/Wildcat, I could remember all of the villains from the Bat-titles except for Ernie Chubb. Then Catwoman/Wildcat is a heist gone wrong, just like all of Dixon’s Catwoman stories. Just because boxing scenes are included doesn’t make it feel “Wildcat”. Maybe if there’d been significant time spent with Ted training or engaging or even saving other boxers, that might have tipped things. Alas, it comes across as trying to add Ted to the Bat-family, which isn’t a bad thing when the JSA isn’t around, but I don’t love it either.

    No, I didn’t read these back in the day, only just this week before listening to the show. And you know me, I’ll take a reading challenge when I can, so I don’t regret reading them either. I do especially like Batman and Wildcat squaring off with the masks on, since I saw the house ad back then which was basically the same image. Very cool.

    Now if you’ll excuse me, I have to purge the image of Stella calling Ted “daddy” from my mind. (I kid, that was hilarious! You go, Stella!)

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  12. This episode was a great listen even it was odd to have Shag be the less… er…. stimulated? excited? voice on the show. Kudos to Stella for bringing the female gaze to the books in question we need more of that to help balance out Shag’s Irredeemable tendencies (which have been more restrained as the years have gone on, to be fair.).

    I certainly don’t recall reading either of these series when they came out and I have to admit I’m not sure I’ll need to now that they have been covered so well and clearly don’t really impact current DCU – I mean these books are from the 90s so thats at least 2 if not 3 reboots right?

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  13. I like Wildcat in a team setting, but when I was a kid he would mainly show up in what felt like every sixth issue of the Brave and the Bold, a non-superpowered person teaming up with Batman, in very similar colours, lacking only a cape. Writer Bob Haney seemed to prefer putting in non-or low powered characters, so you didn’t have to go above the usual Batman-level threats. I was never pleased to see him.

    His role as trainer of every DC hero this side of ‘Mazing Man became a bit of a joke, and I do not need to think about him talking dirty to Selina in the bath, with one hand very obviously under the bubbles… mind, he does look amazing in JSA 9 and 10, fighting crime in his towel, as drawn by the very Daddy gay artist Stephen Sadowski.

    I like Ted a lot better these days.

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  14. Impressive podcast. Most impressive. Cool to hear y’all too podcasting together again. Wild Cat is Awsome. And co created by Bats co created Bill Finger. Though no Stela, Hal’s sickness is not the same as a younger person dating an older one. If they’re both human and adults let it go. Ya don’t have to date that way.

    Let people be. Anyway, wild cat has always been a staple of the JSA. And mini great cartoon runs. Like Batman, brave and the bold. Or JLA. And briefly on arrow, sadly his protégé didn’t last as long . I liked her. On Star Girl she was fun. Any way my favorite Story with Ted was. A JSA one ware he fought Johny Sarrow

    And other villains with an injury and won. While flirting with Cat Woman. His secret origin. Story was good as well. And Dc does have him Richard Dragon, Lady Shiva and a few others tip train up their heroes . Cause they are that good. He’s kind of.the blue collar every man.
    Like Ben grim at marvel.

    He should be a major player, but for what ever reason. He just never had that big run. The JSA run with Geoff John’s was as close as he got. Sadly though they were good. Ah well. While he’s not my favorite. He’s still pretty up there pn my list. I liked him in the Paul Levits run. Though Power Girl was always above him . As was Hunters. Still he was awesome.

    DC removing him and the JSA for s while was Oy. Still they have had a good run sine then. I wonder if Ted could hold a mini title or a 12 issue Max. Or at lest a feature in Show Case. Could be interesting to see.

    Anyway can’t wait for the next episode.

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  15. I don’t whether to hit him or feed him a protein shake- Ted grant quote. From Brave the bold cartoon . When he first met bane .

    How I met wild cat justice league unlimited.
    You the episode shag.
    But I really started to like him when saw him in brave and bold acting as mentor to Batman the outsiders.
    I big fan of the teenage katana and metamorpho
    I’d to see him and teenage outsiders meet the regular dc counterparts how do think they would react . Do think if regular Rex met the teenage outsiders from Brave the bold his girl friend would just adopt them ? (Consider that my secret question.)
    Wild cat is cool I see as kinda what green arrow is now the common man’s hero .
    Also here’s a Little JSA trivia : from the original run of JSA some of JSA joins the army in ww2 of the ones that join Johnny thunder is the only one joins the navy . (Some is now imagine Johnny thunder as sailor in the village people I’m betting singing in navy .) (I’m ok with that the village people are a great band I like and my grandma loved .)
    Cue in the. Navy . Thank good night
    Also if Rex had a stuff toy would have a stuffed curry or one of the other three stooges or just. A set of three stooges mego dolls I figured I would throw a little just little justice league international in there as well since wildcat is everywhere.

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  16. Great episode, guys! I really agree with the idea that Wildcat works best as an older character who trains the younger generation. Both Batman/Wildcat and Catwoman/Wildcat were fun, but very ’90s. The romantic angle with Catwoman has always felt inappropriate—especially considering the age she was when Ted first started training her. Even if nothing happened until later, it still makes the mentor/student relationship come across as creepy. Honestly, removing that from continuity would be a welcome subtraction in the New History of the DCU.

    When I first read those stories as a kid, I just saw Ted as a “ladies’ man.” Beyond Selina, he’s also been linked with Queen Hippolyta, Irina (Jake’s mom), Marilyn Bronson (Tom’s mom), and probably Lady Blackhawk in those Guy Gardner: Warrior issues. Speaking of which, Beau Smith deserves a ton of credit for that run—he managed to make Guy palatable, paving the way for Pete Tomasi to continue that development in Green Lantern Corps.

    On the subject of Beau Smith, he was recently on Word Balloon ( https://www.spreaker.com/episode/beau-smith-talks-earp-guy-gardner-and-the-man-of-steel–67081099 ) and mentioned that there was a planned Robin/Wildcat miniseries. It would’ve focused on Tim Drake and Ted Grant’s mentor–student dynamic, with Wildcat acting like the “bad uncle”—like the kind who encourages a little mischief (like sneaking a beer at a family cookout). Over the story, Tim would’ve picked up Wildcat’s grit and street-fighting mentality, and the finale would’ve had Batman noticing Tim’s sharper combat skills—as a nod to Wildcat’s influence. Sounds like it would’ve been a blast, but unfortunately editorial changes killed it.

    Last thing: you asked if Wildcat’s nine lives from Morrison’s JLA/JSA crossover are still in continuity. I’d say yes, but Pete Tomasi had him lose the last of those extra lives in JSA: Classified. I recently wrote a blog post about it (spoilers for the current JSA series). https://newearth2.com/post/782351008375488512/times-past-thursday-wildcats-nine-lives

    While researching, I found some fan-made profiles claiming his nine lives can regenerate—like you’d have to kill him nine times in a row for it to stick. I haven’t been able to track down an actual source for that idea, though. If anyone knows where it comes from, please let me know—I’d love to update my post. Honestly, it sounds like something that might’ve originated in a video game. My bets are on a scene in the Injustice video games or comics.

    Another great episode! I can’t wait for the next one!

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  17. You know how we previously mentioned some of the elder statesmen members of the JSA feel like uncles you’ve had? Well Ted Grant is like that uncle you had when you were a teenager who wouldn’t sugar coat things while also teaching you how to defend yourself if need be. That’s what I think when I see Wildcat. From Crisis Times Five in JLA to the awesome JSA series, Ted slowly became one of my favorite characters. I’ve always pictured Bruce Willis in my head when reading anything Wildcat, which actually makes JSA # 10 even more awesome…if you know, you know. Even in these two mini-series, I love that he’s both a mentor and an equal to Batman and Catwoman. I even like the slick design of his suit on the covers. One thing I do want to mention, and I know it’s a preference thing: do you prefer Wildcat with taped fists or without them? For me it depends on the situation. He can hold his own normally, but I feel if you’re in a fight with Wildcat and he suddenly tapes up his fists, you know you’ve messed up at that point.

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  18. Shag.

    Shag!

    SHAG!!!

    You say you don’t believe there’s an Earth-1 Wildcat?

    Allow me to present the evidence for the defence.

    Exhibit A – Wildcat teams up with Batman in Brave and Bold 88, 97, 110, 118 and 127.
    These stories have a contemporary 1970s setting – a time when the Earth-2 Batman was mostly semi-retired and rarely seen.
    Batman is shown to be in his familiar yellow-oval logo costume as worn by the Earth-1 version.
    There is no mention of multiversal travel in any of these adventures.

    Exhibit B – Wildcat teams up with the Creeper (THE CREEPER!) in Super-Team Family 2.
    The Creeper was an established Earth-1 character, not seen on any other Earths and, again, there’s no mention of multiversal travel in this story.

    Exhibit C – In the above stories, Ted Grant has an established life and is well-known on Earth-1.
    It is therefore highly unlikely he just decided to pop over from Earth-2 for the odd adventure.

    Exhibit D – At no point in Earth-2 Wildcat’s appearances in the late 70s All-Star Comics and Adventure Comics does he mention his recent team-ups with either Batman or the Creeper.
    If I met the Creeper or a counterpart of a ‘friend from work’, I would certainly be talking about it!

    Exhibit E – Wildcat’s origin from Sensation Comics 1 shows that his inspiration for taking up a costumed identity was from a kid who had been reading a Green Lantern comic!
    We know from such stories as Showcase 4 and Flash 268 that a lot of the adventures of the Earth-2 characters were published in comics on Earth-1.
    In a way, it makes MORE sense for there to be an Earth-1 version of Wildcat than an Earth-2 version.

    And now the ‘evidence’ for the prosecution –

    *covers eyes, puts fingers in ears and says* “These stories must have taken place on Earth-B where all the wacky Bob Haney/Murray Boltinoff stories are set”.

    AHEM.

    Earth-B is a lazy catch-all term to give the Haney/Boltinoff stories a free pass when it comes to continuity.
    However, the majority of their stories easily fit within the continuity of the Earth-1 Batman.
    Also, Neither Haney nor Boltinoff had anything to do with the Creeper team-up!

    Therefore, this court finds that there IS an Earth-1 Wildcat and Shag is sentenced to listen to the Earth-2 Podcast episodes that cover these stories! *

    *apart from Brave and Bold 127 which will be out later this year.

    Other than that, EXCELLENT episode. Looking forward to the next one 🙂

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  19. So firstly, thanks for running the DC Secret Files podcast promo! Trust that I pay you back on the next episode (if you don’t count how many fewer ears my show gets versus yours. I try to make it up with quantity.) I took my first pass at Wildcat on the third episode, and tried to crib from that prior work for this comment. However, there are a couple of Secret Files entries for Ted Grant (both by Sergio Cariello,) so I mostly stuck with Golden Age/Pre-Crisis/core concepts there. Luckily, when I do get back to Ted Grant, I can dig out this comment to serve Future Frank.

    I currently own the Famous First Edition of Sensation Comics #1, and thought that I might have tossed through it at the Almeda Mall Woolworth’s as a wee lad. On further consideration, I’m pretty sure they only had Wonder Woman #1. I love Jim Aparo’s cover to Brave & the Bold #118, which clearly influenced the mini-series covered in this episode, but unless it was featured in a house ad, it wouldn’t be an early exposure. As I’ve often referenced, DC Sampler #1 was my gateway to the greater DC Universe, and Wildcat was in the two-page All-Star Squadron spread, so that was surely it. I saw an issue or two of America Vs. the Justice Society in passing, but my dead certain first story (tangentially) involving Ted was Crisis on Infinite Earths #7. He isn’t actually in the comic, but the Atom, Green Arrow, and Liberty Belle discussed his (rather temporary) paralysis while Yolanda Montez prowled overhead. As a friend’s recent back issue in 1988, Last Days of the Justice Society Special was the first Wildcat story that I at least skimmed through (DC Comics looked so boring to me then.) My half-brother bought some issues of the 1991 Justice Society of America mini-series, but I don’t think he made it to the Wildcat appearance, and I was too cool to read the “ongoing” series. I did buy Showcase ’94 #8 for the Zero Hour tie-in, and I was reading Eclipso when he murdered Yolanda Montez, so that short funeral story would have fit right into my patterns. Again, thanks to Eclipso, I read The Spectre #17-22 & 0, but I’m not even certain I connected the boxer Ted Grant to Wildcat there. He was also in various crowd scenes with other heroes in books I read, not making an impression.

    So… digging into the chronology, where did I really start to make Ted Grant’s acquaintance? Zero Hour and Guy Gardner: Warrior. He was a regular at the Warriors bar, and I got invested enough in the Mitch Byrd-drawn issues in the run-up to Zero Hour that I hung around until the bitter end (though Byrd returning for the last issue or two was a very welcome surprise.) I don’t recall Wildcat ingratiating me exceptionally in that time, but the only other reasons I could figure for pre-ordering the Batman / Wildcat mini-series were continuity based. It was Beau Smith continuing to co-write the character, it involved Ted Grant’s having trained Bruce Wayne, and by 1997 I would have started investigating DC history thoroughly enough to have reached Infinity Incorporated and such. It was 1995’s Starman #11 that made me a JSA fan, and even though Wildcat didn’t figure into that story, he benefited from it.

    I know that I read the B/W mini-series, but I don’t remember much about it, including any strong feelings about it either way. I also know that I bought the Catwoman / Wildcat mini-series the following year, and I remember even less about that, and yet still feel more positively disposed toward it. I like Post-Crisis Catwoman a lot better than Batman, I think it delved into her relationship with Ted more, and it had Brian Stelfreeze covers instead of Tony Daniel ones. Jim Balent was the template for how to draw Catwoman at the time, so while I’m sure Cariello would have still hyper-sexualized her, it wouldn’t have stood out at the time.

    I started writing this at 4 a.m., so pardon my moving along. At a glance, I’ve never read a great Wildcat story. There’s been some solo/spotlight stuff, but mostly I see him in a team setting. Wasn’t there a JSA issue where he alone had to defend the base against intruders, and took a Daredevil-style walloping? That was pretty cool. I don’t see a ton of potential in Wildcat as a solo star. He’s seasoning– the good-hearted but sometimes problematic old bruiser who’ll show you the ropes… and maybe pull a Bill Belichick. Regardless of the age difference and mentor/mentee history, there is no universe where Selina Kyle is not the dominant figure in a consensual relationship. His only other play pal that I know of is Hippolyta, and that’s one hell of an age difference in the other direction. I adore Wildcat’s ridiculous costume, which helped his Golden Age stories look so much wilder and more dynamic than most anything else DC was putting out at the time. I love when he has toenails, and his custom cat-themed motorcycle. He’s kind of like what might have happened if Ben Grimm didn’t make it to college, except Ted is clearly way kinkier and more overall game than Ben. You can’t go grimdark with Wildcat, because his whole thing defies being taken seriously. He’s either a goofy comic book throwback with no basis in reality, and the most hardcore furry in existence. There is a 1000% probability that Wildcat has easy access ports, and a non-zero chance that he kept the suit on with Selina. Somewhere right now, John Oliver’s nipples are hard enough to be felt through a form-fitting faux fir team mascot costume.

    Oh, and I don’t recall if it was mentioned on the show, and it ain’t my job to read the comments, but just in case, Mindy Newell had Ted Grant train Selena Kyle in the 1989 Catwoman mini-series.

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  20. Great rundown of Wildcat, guys. He’s an interesting guy. No weapons or powers. Just a tough guy dressed like a cat with taped up knuckles. But it works. And despite being around magicians and speedsters and ultra-powerful ring wielders, Wildcat was a core member of the JSA moving forward. I would say, if you’re a fan of Ted Grant, DO NOT read the Tom King Black Canary mini-series. He’s treated as a dim-witted tomato can goon who routinely gets whupped by whoever he faces.

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  21. There was a version of Wildcat that came out earlier than the one in DC Comics. The pulp novels of the Whisperer a.k.a. police commissioner James ‘Wildcat’ Gordon.

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