Fire & Water #179 – Whatever Happened To…? Rip Hunter/The Crimson Avenger

Shag & Rob present the next installments of "Whatever Happened To...?" We love these back-up strips from DC COMICS PRESENTS! This time we're covering adventures from DCCP #37 & 38, featuring Rip Hunter...Time Master and the final adventure of El Vengadore Rojo...The Crimson Avenger!

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13 responses to “Fire & Water #179 – Whatever Happened To…? Rip Hunter/The Crimson Avenger

  1. So much to say about such an enjoyable episode.
    – You know you’re in for a treat when Rob begins a sentence with, “I’ve read a lot of comics in my lifetime…”
    – “whathisname.” That’s cold, Kelly
    – Shag made a good point about the tropes that can be learned and accepted watching Doctor Who. I’m always amazed when people are still hesitant to give it a try.
    – Shag shouldn’t be jealous of whatever relationship he thinks Rob and I have. Sometimes “R&D” just stands for “research and development.” Sometimes.
    – loved young Rob’s story of the slow walk back to the car for a dime. I don’t know why, but I picture the youngest of the Van Trapp kids sadly walking to the car while “The Lonely Man (The Incredible Hulk closing theme)” plays in the background. But Pops Kelly saved the day.

  2. I think Rip Hunter and Dane Dorrance were the only members of the “Forgotten Heroes” not featured in SECRET ORIGINS. Not that anybody remembers that series or ever talks about it anymore.

  3. The sample pages definitely shows what an inker can do for Saviuk. Colletta’s pages are so lacking detail they look like coloring book pages. Meanwhile, the Jensen-inked splash page of the Crimson Avenger remembering his past is pretty glorious.

    I do wish that the Avenger was in the cloak and fedora. And oh, those salad day before the internet and cell phones. Today there would be instagram, vines, and google searches which would inform everyone who this guy was.

    1. Ha, this is one of our rare disagreements, Anj. I prefer the Colletta inks here, they give the story a Sixties quality; if I didn’t know, I’d have guessed that Joe Giella had inked. That Jensen-inked splash IS very good, though the other page is less successful, the lighting on CA’s face doesn’t work, it looks too blotchy.

  4. I’m sorry, but as a Character I was more than happy to see Amy Pond (Karen Gillan) go not a reason to watch Dr. Who. The only real problem I saw with here leaving was that it mean that she was replaced by a worse companion in Clara Oswald (Jenna Coleman) and that it mean Rory Williams left the show (Arthur Darvill). By the way probably totally unrelated question but what is Arthur Darvill doing now?

      1. Modern Who companions a just too darn Important these days, from Bad Wolf Rose to Everywhere Girl Clara via Crack Kid Amy … too many cosmic destinies. Can’t someone stay ordinary while acting extraordinary?

      2. Well when you play a character that has been a Roman solder for that length of time as he did I guess stuff like bad pantomime just rubs off on you…

  5. I’ve never read the Rip Hunter story, but I got a double dose of the Crimson Avenger by buying both the original DCCP issue AND the “Years Best Comic Stories” digest off the stands…and I didn’t mind paying for it again. Even as a kid, I realized this story was pretty transcendent for the time. Other than the Earth-Two Batman, I didn’t think super heroes died. And honestly, they didn’t much back then!

    The fact that this story took place on Earth-Two once again proved that the parallel dimension concept was a great avenue for DC writers and artists to really push the boundaries of their storytelling into avenues they couldn’t explore in the Earth-One, mainstream stories. And of course DC shut it down in a few years. Sigh.

    Add me to the list of those who were disappointed Umberto didn’t become Crimson Avenger II. Total missed opportunity.

    Great stinger at the end with what I believe was the Crimson’s only speaking line on JLU. And of course Rob’s Detective Chimp gibberish has kind of become your “Sit Ubu, sit. Good boy.”


  6. Nice little episode, boys. The Rip Hunter story was decent, while the Crimson Avenger send-off was lovely, rather poignant.

    The last Crimson Avenger was a mess of a character, with a clunky concept, a nasty motif, a bloody MO and a tacky crop too. Geoff Johns connected her to this story by saying the Ultra-Humanite cause the ship explosion. Best ignored.

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