Super Mates 70: JLMay Crossover – Justice #2

JLMay continues! Chris and Cindy join the podcast crossover event by taking a look at Justice #2, focusing on Batman’s battle of wits with the Riddler, brought to you by Jim Krueger, Alex Ross and Doug Braithwaite!

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Clip credits:

“Wedding March” by Queen from Flash Gordon

Opening and closing theme to The Challenge of the Super Friends by Hoyt Curtain

“Building a Mystery” by Sarah McLachlan

Clips and music from Batman Forever. Music by Eliott Goldenthal

Clips from Batman: The Animated Series’ “If You’re So Smart, Why Aren’t You Rich?”. Music by Carlos Rodriguez.

Music from The Flash (1990) by Shirley Walker

Clips from Batman TV series and movie (1966)

“The Streak” by Ray Stevens

20 responses to “Super Mates 70: JLMay Crossover – Justice #2

  1. Hey, rest assured you don’t have to ever tell me to punch a koala. Those koalas don’t punch themselves.

    Good work on continuing the Justice conga line, Cindy and Chris.

  2. Check out Cindy’s “sultry” voice!

    Chris, don’t be in any hurry to spend more time on Twitter. It’s a wretched hive of scum and villainy. Log in, tweet out show posts, log out.

  3. Grant Morrison just looks like a super villain. Ross used his likeness for Brainiac in this, and Darwyn Cooke based Captain Cold off of Morrison in THE NEW FRONTIER.

    If I didn’t already love you, Chris, I would have fallen all over again because you referenced the “Pimp of the Year” awards from I’M GONNA GET YOU, SUCKA! 😀

  4. Very fun & informative discuss! FYI to hear Alex Ross’ take on the state of superheroes today & the DC tv & movies be sure to check out the recent Word Balloon podcast. It’s a great hour long interview. Also, an official Alex Ross YouTube site launches very soon. Any word why he hates Firestorm? I think he’s only drawn him the 1 time for that huge Crisis poster he did with George Perez.

    I agree with your take on the Riddler’s origin as the abused child angle makes sense & offers a nice contrast to Batman.

    If Ross were ever to do a sort of sequel to Justice, I’d love to see him do something with all the heroes he’s been covering for Dynamite: Tarzan, Doc Savage, Sheena, John Carter, Shadow, Green Hornet, & the rest. He completely drew only the first issue of that Masks miniseries which was fun.

  5. Here is a plea to Rob and the powers that be at Fire & Water to post links to the non-network shows in this series as they become available. Subscribers like me would appreciate it.
    Nice job Chris and Cindy, and thanks for the images. Now, while I admire Ross’s art greatly, sometimes I find little things annoy me. Maybe the heroes are too thin-lipped and close mouthed for my taste. Maybe I would prefer Brainiac to have less human-looking skin. (Why would a computer/android/robot have wrinkles?) But I have finally put a finger on why his Batman bugs me. The eyes. Yes, I accept that Ross dispenses with the blank eyes convention of Batman’s mask. However, close examination of the pics that you and RobandShag posted get to the gist of it. Ross illustrates Batman’s mask as including his eyelids! There is no distinct eye-hole in the cowl. His eyelashes stick out! THAT’S weird, man!

    1. There are links to all the participating shows in this very post, but maybe once it’s all wrapped up we can put them all up in a separate post. Not a bad idea Ward!

    2. Batman has Alfred spray-on the cowl every night, just like a truck bed liner!

      Seriously, it is odd. Sculptor Mike Hill did some wax busts of Superman and Batman for Ross (I think they are photographed in his Mythology book) and you can see the odd eyelash thing in the flesh (or wax) there.


  6. I listened to you read Rift’s comment about the upcoming D.C. Movies and giving those movies money so they’ll keep making them and hope they get a course correction. I have to vehemently disagree. Continuing to give these movies money tells the people in charge that they’re doing the right thing, which means they’ll continue to do this because the fans will keep shelling out money to go see these movies, regardless of quality. The only way I can see that will get the message across is to take money away from them. When they realize how much this direction will cost them, maybe change will occur. Continuing to go see these four things is just rewarding bad behavior, like giving a tantruming child what they want. I have only recently discovered your podcast thanks to the previous JL May and only within the past few months have marathoned the backlog. Your dynamic is wonderful, enough to make me envious of your shared love of the medium as regards my own marriage. Keep up the good work

    1. Thanks for the kind words Edwin! Glad you are enjoying the show.

      I get your point about not encouraging bad behavior…or movies. I struggle with it as well. I see enough change in JL to give me hope that at least some of the sins of BvS have been corrected, but we’ll see. I only saw BvS in theaters once, where I usually see many of the Marvel films at least twice, so I guess I kind of split the difference.

      I tend to follow this idea with comics. I’ve long gotten past the “keep buying them and hope they get better” phase of my life. I pretty much boycotted the New 52 for the most part, and only came back to certain titles with Rebirth.

      I left the FREE Secret Empire issue at Free Comic Book Day because I can’t abide that story. Yes, I know it’s just a story, and the status quo will eventually be restored, but to me it was a tasteless slap in the face to one of my favorite characters, and I had no interest in it. If others did, fine…but not me. I don’t agree with folks picking them up and burning them, however, because a) burning books has some really nasty connotations, and b) Marvel still “sold” these books. They took them off the retailers hands. Leaving stacks and stacks of them at the comic shops would prove to Marvel that they literally can’t give this stuff away for FREE.

      But that’s me.

      Again, thanks for listening!!!


      1. I also strictly avoided the secret empire book. It’s not even the slap in the face thing. The imagery they used did so much worse. It empowered racists. It used so many of their cultural icons (a Nazi holding Thor’s hammer, triumphantly) that it sent a clear signal that Captain America is their hero, and their stance is validated.

        Whether they intended to or not, Marvel did real damage in the real world and I can’t give them my money anymore after that; especially not when they refuse to acknowledge that this has effects in the real world. Their assertion that it’s just a story and the status quo will default is no comfort. You can either make politically charged stories that resonate with things in the real world, or you can make funny haha books. You can’t make a statement book and then play it off like a funny haha book. If they won’t acknowledge that what they did harmed people like me who Nazis actually want dead (see: purple triangles) then this is the point where modern Marvel and I part ways

  7. I’m behind on my JLMay listening, but I had to jump in here and say how much I’ve enjoyed the first two episodes. The Super Friends is what first hooked me on the superhero genre as a kid, so I’m enjoying this modern take on the team.

    On a somewhat related note, I had the good fortune to visit the Norman Rockwell Museum in Stockbridge, MA during our spring break vacation. In addition to the great Rockwell art, the museum, unbeknownst to me, was also hosting an exhibit of Hanna-Barbera Saturday Morning Cartoon artwork ( I was excited to see some original Alex Toth concept art for Challenge of the Super Friends. (Thanks to the F&W Network, I actually knew who he was). It was particularly interesting to see some potential members of the Legion of Doom, who never made it into the final series, like Heat Wave and Poison Ivy. Ah, what might have been.

    Okay, it’s time for me to stop digressing, and head over to the Idol Head of Diabolu for the next episode.

    1. Wow, that’s really cool Brian! We discussed the proto-Legion of Doom on the first episode of Saturday Morning Fever awhile back. I’d love to see all the artwork and designs Toth did for the show.

      Thanks for listening as always, and I hope you enjoy the rest of JLMay!


      1. I forced my brother to take a picture of me by the Super Friends section of the exhibit, but I don’t know if he was close enough to make out any details in the artwork. I’m still waiting for him to post his vacation pictures online. If I ever get hold of the picture, I’ll try posting it here. (Assuming I can figure out how to do so).

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