Siskoid and the Irredeemable Shag’s coverage of Marvel Team-Up continues with issue #146 (October 1984) by Cary Burkett, Greg Larocque and Mike Esposito, starring Spider-Man and Nomad! It’s “Hero Worship!”
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Great episode guys. I was just beginning to read Captain America on a regular basis around the time this issue came out. This was most likely my introduction to Jack Munroe. He was an interesting character. More aggressive than most characters I was reading at the time, he was an interesting contrast to Cap. While it isn’t shocking he was killed off, it IS shocking he’s still dead nearly 20 years later. I’ve been expecting “The Shocking Return of Nomad!” for some time now. “He back from the grave! Seeking vengeance against The Winter Soldier!”
took me @$! 14 years to finish the Hulk and spider-man questprobe games even cheating THOSE GAMES WERE HARD.
I think the Black Abbot was really good! Cuz it BUILT Not just Spider crashing into heroes
They were so badly designed, they were nearly impossible. Congrats for managing it somehow.
oh I went on the internet and looked the answers KNOWING Marvel did NOT HELP with those games
I just remembered biting my lip as Bruce Banner to trigger the transformation into The Hulk.
Ok here’s my team up idea for nomad .
This version of Steve rogers get sent to the Hanna Barbara universe and ends up going on an adventure with CAPTAIN Caveman !!! and the teen angles . And do the travel nomad is now a super powered teen him self with no memory can the teen angles and Captain cave man help this young hero find out who he really is and will one of the teen angles let him go when they find out the truth find out . In to catch a falling star or nomad who ?
Thanks for all the info about Nomad and his history.
The first Captain America book I collected was the Brubaker run (lured to Marvel by the writer). So I read that issue where the down and out Nomad was killed by the Winter Soldier. I don’t think it resonated with me as much as it should have because I didn’t know him. This was helpful. (I mean, I had more history with ‘Spirit of 76’ from the invaders.
As for dream team-ups, Nomad and the Phantom Stranger. As he is basically constantly walking with no home, the Stranger is a nomad. Perhaps he could teach Nomad some lesson ….
Switch where said Steve rogers to the actual no man from this story didn’t know he was different till I heard the episode. Also when he becomes a teenager he talks like kenshin from rouni kenshin now and while adventuring with the team angles and captain caveman . In his civilian identity he wears a blue falcon t-shirt he got from one of the teen angles the one who’s normally scared and a speed buggy hat .
Really fun episode to listen to. I loved the running commentary on Nomad’s terrible courier service. Had me laughing out loud.
I also liked that Nomad was compared to Jason Todd. Really on the nose with that one. I feel like Nomad left Cap, went to Miami, dressed in parachute pants and a jacket, and tried to kill a Kingpin knock off. Big Jason Todd vibes with that one.
oh yeah why nomad knows a 1959 movie?
Ya see Kang knows there’s qusi super soldier just frozen in 1954
He also knows AROUND that time JOhn Wayne made the Conquer Kang HATES That movie!
So he takes Nomad to limbo, brainwashes him downloads every john wayne movie into his brain and uses nomad to kill JW.
Vivid memories of John Wayne movies that never got made are what make him CRazy 90s guy.
That tracks.
There was a Questprobe 4!?
I had the video game which featured the Thing and the Human Torch. I never came close to finishing it. The Thing was trapped in a tar pit and the Human Torch just hovered around. I hope someone saved them.
The only thing I remember about the Black Abbott storyline is how everyone was waiting for his nemesis: The Black Costello.
i’ve seen a pitch for questprobe 4. You play Magneto (and Maybe beast) The way it’s written it’s hard to tell if play Beast or if Magneto just gives beast orders.
TOAD is the main bad guy he MOVES stuff. The aquiarian shows up not sure why
“Why don’t you tell Shag …” “Why don’t you tell Siskoid …”
Don’t you two know that you’re not supposed to use the kids as go betweens? 😉
I’ve always had a a soft spot for Nomad, and that’s because my earliest issue of Captain America I had as a kid was #309, the origin of Madcap and guest staring Nomad. I never read any of his 90’s appearances probably because I already had Johnny Blaze as the long haired, trench-coat wearing, shotgun wielding anti-hero.
Marvel Fanfare #33 (aka Questprobe #4)…
side note: I feel like in the 80s, The X-Men were wearing bathing suits more than any other characters in any other books. I’ve seen so many X-Speedos and X-Banana Hammocks to last me a lifetime.
X-Mansion had a pool.
Great job, All-Stars! I started reading Captain America at the end of the National Force saga. My run was inconsistent, due to newsstand distribution and being a small child lacking agency, cash, and my own wheels. But regardless, I have a loooong history with Jack Monroe. Always felt for the guy. I wish I had this comic, ’cause it sounds great. I love the idea of Pete and Jack meeting this way and just hitting it off (complete with actual hitting, because comics!). As icing on the cake, I also love Rio Bravo, but Siskoid knows this already.
Now, regarding Team Entropy [voices in background yell alternate names: “Chaos Crew!” “Bedlam Brigade!” “The Order of Disorder!”] — those are all real people, and they should count as separate commenters. I know, because they showed up and told me so the last time I was looking into a mirror. So there!
I knew Jack Monroe from his return appearance in #281 during the DeMatteis/Zeck Cap run, the issue before he switches from Bucky to the Nomad costume. I don’t guess I responded well to that look, because I skipped every successive appearance, except for this one. It’s a very DC look, which is probably why it worked better on The Protector (never mind making Cap’s sidekick look more like Robin!) And then when he switched to his more ’80s pleather look, it was in the gap where I avoided the Paul Neary run, but before I was lured back for the SuperPatriot/Johnny Walker stuff. Even his first solo mini-series, where he was transitioning into Renegade, came out when I was reliant on a newsstand system that didn’t support it, Only when the heavily promoted ongoing series launched, and I had comic shop access, did I come aboard. Sadly, we only got a handful of Hawbaker issues, and then every other artist had to live in the shadow of his covers, but it was enough to get its hooks into me. I was good for the first year, with Pat Oliffe and frequent guest stars, but Rick Mays was the last straw. I was not on board for his manga stylings, a strange hybrid of Adam Warren and Adam Hughes, but more importantly his storytelling chops simply were not there. He got better by the Arsenal mini-series, but I’d had enough by #12 (though I dipped back for #16’s Gambit appearance, to my regret.) It limped along for a second year, but Munroe never recovered from its conclusion. Brubaker offered a mercy killing, if I’m being honest.
So why did I buy this Marvel Team-Up? I dunno? I wasn’t a regular. I’d gotten the DeMatteis/Gammill Cap one with the photo cover, then over a year later the Burkett/LaRocque Moon Knight one. A friend had the Iron Man one, and then I got this, my last issue. I think I just liked the art, and maybe the Cap connection? I tend to confuse Black Abbott with a period also ran, The Answer from Milgrom Spectacular. When Nightwing started flinging yellow stun discs nearly a decade later, I knew where he got them from.
The obvious team-up pairing is the Mark Shaw Manhunter. Brown-haired acrobat/fighter dupes tricked into serving as “heroes” to an evil covert organization while bearing the mantle of an abandoned legacy guise. Can’t recall if Jack ever did any bounty hunting, or was pure vigilante. Both were mentally unstable, and eventually took on a second villainous guise which saw them cross the line into outright murder. Did you guys bring up the Scourge/Thunderbolts period on the show? I missed that if you did.
True story, in a moment edited out of the episode, I mistook Proteus for the Answer. In fact, Proteus and the Answer look even more alike than Abbot/Proteus.
With the Answer’s long mask rat-tail, he visually looks to me like another variant of Blacklash and Killer Shrike. Thank goodness that phase didn’t last long… oh god, the 90s!
Yep, definitely in the mix those two.
This was on my monthly collecting list back then just like Shagg. (ooo shouldn’t say that too much.) While my first introduction to Jack as Nomad, I did see one random issue of the Avengers years before when Steve was using the identity, and he kinda popped in to use the bathroom and grab a snack from Jarvis before heading back to his own comic. And I wasn’t collecting Avengers at the time, it must have been borrowed from a friend or something, cuz I don’t have it today. How on earth did we read comics before the internet to understand what the heck’s going on?
But I did regularly collect Cap’s series throughout the Gruenwald era, so that’s where I really appreciated Nomad, and all through his mini and monthly series, all the way to his tragic ending. Not only did Winter Soldier kill him, but as long as WS is popular enough and an ongoing presence, there’s no room in the Marvel Universe for Monroe to return, so the Solder is keeping him dead. Dang!
This was also not my first comic with Taskmaster. That was MTU #103, guest starring Scott Lang Ant-Man. I still love that issue. Here’s hoping it makes it into the podcast eventually. The wild thing was Tasky totally outfought Spider-Man, proving how tough he is, so I had no trouble believing Spidey and Nomad would be in trouble here. Now the next Taskmaster comic was Avengers #223 with that Hawkeye/Ant-Man cover. Yes, *that* cover.
For Nomad team-ups, I came up with 2, and I can’t choose one, so you’re stuck with hearing both. Jack goes into suspended animation and returns in the future to meet Spider-Man 2099. They’re both grittier and harsher legacy characters, and we’d see Jack frustrate Miguel by being a “man out of time” even worse. Or, Jack meets the Legion’s 1970s Karate Kid, where both are dealing with life in the present, both loners, and searchers of truth. Similar to Nomad’s monthly series, it could work like the Kung Fu TV series, including the Western meets Eastern vibe.
Let’s see, what else. Oh yeah! Still loving Spidey’s black costume! Looking forward to seeing more of it!
Oh shoot! Forgot that I loved the Nomad/Buck Rogers team-up idea, doubly because BR’s names is a mashup of “Bucky” and “Steve Rogers”!
You know, I never even noticed that! (Might be unconscious Amalgam brain.)
I like these team-ups, Tim!
I first read about Nomad in the “Cap No More!” Zstoryline where he and all of Caps former partners teamed up with Cap and helped him on several adventures. I thought it was cool that Cap had this bench of partners to help him out. Unfortunately, Gruenwald wrote Jack as a jerk in those stories. Guy Gardner levels of jerkishness. I liked his codename and his stun discs, though. But this points to how wildly varied his characterization has been. Is he a confused man out of time? Is he an abrasive jerk? Is he the traveling crusader with a heart of gold of his solo series? It’s all over the map.
His solo ongoing series was way ahead of its time and I was glad you called that out, Shagg. Those comics seem to have been under appreciated in their time and not reprinted anywhere or available on Marvel Unlimited unless they’re part of a crossover. It’s a shame bc I think if they came out now they might be better received. I think people see the shades, trench coat, long hair, and guns, and assume it’s a typical 90s EXTREME title and it very much is not. Nicieza gives Jack a lot of depth and develops him a lot.
You guys don’t remember him from Infinity War bc he wasn’t in it (and in his solo title fought a Gambit doppelgänger not his own), and in Infinity Crusade he gets stuck in orbit with Forge (now THERES a random pair!) and doesn’t participate in the final battle on the planet.
Who else is a fan of the OTHER Nomad, the one called Nomad: girl without a world? She’s the Bucky from the counter-earth created by Franklin Richards for Heroes Reborn and makes her way to our world. Great character, was pumped when she showed up in the Future Foundation miniseries. I guess if she’s around, it makes up somewhat for Jack being killed off.
Question: has any story revisited Bucky, the baby girl Nomad was taking care of in his solo series? Given how time passes in the Marvel universe she’s probably 2 years old by now.
Finally, I can’t believe Shagg would disparage the great crossover that is Dead Man’s Hand! That crossover rules! Intrigue and street fighting around a crime lord summit in Vegas? Starring Nomad, Punisher, and Daredevil? Featuring villains like Tombstone, Daredevil, Bushwhacker, and the Hand,? What’s not to love? 🙂
The only Nomad I really care about is NOMAD from Star Trek’s “The Changeling”. Anything else is a… NON SEQUITUR!
I don’t know why this was a reply, but since we are padding the comments numbers, I’ll post my episode feedback here.
Really fun episode to listen to. I loved the running commentary on Nomad’s terrible courier service. Had me laughing out loud.
I also liked that Nomad was compared to Jason Todd. Really on the nose with that one. I feel like Nomad left Cap, went to Miami, dressed in parachute pants and a jacket, and tried to kill a Kingpin knock off. Big Jason Todd vibes with that one.