THE FANTASTIC POUR
Brett welcomes the brilliant Andrew Leyland to the Fantasti-Lounge for a very special Christmas Eve end-of-year edition of the Fantastic Pour as we talk Spider-Man! We enjoy a Glenmorangie 12 year Scotch and read Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man #67. Join us in the Fantasti-Lounge as we enjoy the holiday season and discuss: Should Spider-Man have hung it up after issue #99? What is Chrimbo Limbo? Who makes up the best Dad Show team? And much, much more!
Secret Pour-igins: Scotch Whiskey
Cocktail: Scotch
Ingredients
- Glenmorangie 12 year old
- A clean glass
- Whiskey Stones (Not Water!)
Instructions
- Open the bottle of Glenmorangie
- Pour a couple fingers of Glenmorangie into the glass
- Drop the Whiskey Stones in (or have it neat)
- Drink it
Comic: Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man Vol.1 #67, Marvel Comics, 1982
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Outro music: “Fairytale of New York” by The Pogues
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Thanks to Brett for having me on. This was so much fun but it’s been bugging me since we recorded. I want to swap out Sam Axe for Sydney Bristow.
Thanks, Andrew! You’ve been my favorite guest from Manchester!
Great episode that made the holiday drive to family pass wonderfully! Happy Holidays to all!
Now looking at the gallery, the art is DEFINITELY aping Frank Miller’s work. It’s funny, Ed Hannigan is a solid artist on his own with his own style. I wonder if he was told to do it like Miller (given the Kingpin vibe) or if he did it on his own.
As for the Fantastic Question, I have to comment on the chess question. First off, in this day and age of 3D printing, I would be very VERY nervous if I was Dr. Doom’s chess carver. He better be on point.
The Chess Board:
Villain side:
Rooks – Rhino and Juggernaut. These are bulls traveling in straight lines. And big and bulky like buildings. Perfect rooks.
Knights – Electro and Shocker. More in it for a buck than revenge. Trying to sneak away with crazy escape routes like a knight’s move. Perhaps underestimated. Perfect knights.
Bishops – Spencer Smythe and J Jonah Jameson. Both guys trying to work the angles to defeat Spider-Man, thus diagonal movement.
King – Venom. A dark reflection of himself and powerful.
Queen: (courting controversy) Mary Jane Watson … powerful, tantalizing, but has led to a lot of angst in his life but mostly because …
Hero side (one piece)
Queen Gwen Stacy – simply put the person who should be by Spidey’s side. If Gwen is the good queen, Mary Jane is the bad one.
Happy holidays to all!
Hot MJ take, Anj! I kinda agree. Hannibal definitely was aping Miller on the Kingpin pages but made a hard turn towards Ditko on the other pages. Thanks for listening every month, Anj. Happy holidays!
That should be Hannigan, not Hannibal. Must’ve been all that dad show talk.
Hey, great show!
I have to say, I’ve always liked Spectacular Spider-man, or as I always called it, “Peter Parker” (to contrast it with the main title, Amazing). I had a bit of an arc with reading it, from sporadically picking up issues when the title was still in its teens, to becoming a regular monthly reader during the Carrion saga, and then again returning to a more sporadic tempo after issue #60 – all that to say that I never had the particular issue you discussed here, but several of those surrounding it (esp. any that featured Cloak & Dagger). However, I enjoyed the discussion nonetheless, because I really like this era on the title – in fact, If I’m being honest, back then I usually liked it better than Amazing, as I think both Mantlo and Stern (and then Mantlo again) were writing some really solid stories.
Anyway, happy holidays to you and everyone else here, and best wishes for the New Year.
Thanks, Edo! Happy holidays and thank you sincerely for your continued support of the show!
“Amazing Spider-Man should have ended at #99” is the hottest of hot takes!
You guys mentioning “Spidey Sense” made me think, since I heard a ref to it on a different, non-comics podcast the same day, is that power THE most pop culturally known super power? Sure, everyone knows Superman can fly, but that power isn’t limited to him. But I feel like somehow (maybe the movies?) that “Spidey Sense” has escaped containment and it’s the kind of thing you could drop in conversation and virtually everyone would know what you meant.
Interesting that sports talk got replaced by car talk this episode. TFP remains the manliest show on the network.
Andy is always a delight to listen to, no matter what the podcast. Great way to wrap up the show’s first year, though you kinda peaked last month.
Thanks, Rob. I agree with the Spidey sense take. And, yes, this is by far the manliest show on the network. TFP is like audio aftershave.
It is used liberally in the ER when you feel a patient is sicker than they appear.
“My spidey sense is tingling” is said ALL the time.
So it has entered medicine at least!
Happy holidays!!!
Here’s my fantastic question;
If you could have three members of the spider verse in lounge as guest who would you choose ?
Bonus comic face : if someone chooses to the legion character, colossal boy you don’t have to use allegiant to appear comic as colossal boy appears in two issues of the comic dial H for hero. Robbie turns into colossal boy twice once leading to possibly the heroes death. I don’t know if colossal boy was in the superheroes at this time or not.
Spider-Punk to play the lounge, Jessica Drew, and Peter Parker with the kid so I have another dad to talk to.
This episode combined two of my favorite things: Andy Leyland and questions.
I also like Spider-Man and Dodge Chargers and Scotch and Brett. So y’know, fun show.
“I also like Spider-Man and Dodge Chargers and Scotch and Brett”
I’m putting that on a quilt
Great show, love hearing Andy on any show. The “ASM ending at 99” conversation really was the highlight for me. Got me thinking. While it could have ended, I think the greater question would be what if Marvel/Stan/whoever let Peter continue to develop in the next 100 issues as much as the first 100. We would have seen Peter and Gwen get married, and Peter get a full time job (I like the idea of Peter working for Osborn), but also have kids, Aunt May dying a natural death, etc. It reminds me of the Spider-Man Mexican comics which did not print the death of Gwen and continued on from there. I would love to see this reprinted (and translated) someday, but I doubt I will.
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/when-peter-parker-married-gwen-stacy-in-mexican-spider-man-comics/
And loved the question about the Dad shows. Anything with Jim Rockford and Jaime Summers has me at the go!
Here is my mash up Team
Angus MacGyver (MacGyver) Mr. Fix-it
Howling Mad Murdock (A-Team) Transportation
Colt Severs (Fall Guy) Muscle
Barney Collier (Mission Impossible) Electronics/Communication
Robin Masters (Magnum PI) and Charles Townsend (Charlie’s Angels) Control and Finance
Artemus Gordon (The Wild Wild West) Disguise and Infiltration
Spenser and Hawk (Spenser For Hire) Muscle and Guns
Vehicles
GMC K-2500/Chevrolet K10 3/4-ton pickup truck
Ford Mustang
Hughes 500D Helicopter
Chevy/Ford Econoline conversion van
Based in the Mid West but could be anywhere in the USA.
Love listening to your podcast as well as Andrew’s keep doing the good work?
That Andy Leyland. If he could just be a little more knowledgeable and excited about his material, he’d be a great podcaster.
(NOTE: For those who can’t distinguish sarcasm in writing, this is what it looks like. Andy can’t possibly be more knowledgeable and excited about Spider-Man, so he is a great podcaster. NOTE TO SELF: Get more Andy Leyland podcasts in your life.)
Terrific episode as usual, gents. I loved this era of PPTSSM, too, and Boomerang is always entertaining. Check out the OHOTMU or Not discussion of him for some Grade A comedy. Over at the Longbox Crusade, Amazing Spider-Man Chronicles has covered some of Peter’s mistreatment of Deb Whitman. They’re hilarious, so they make it as entertaining as one can when Petey’s being such a jerk. I wasn’t aware that Deb Whitman had gotten any justice, but I’m glad to hear she did.
Regarding the muscle car rental, I know exactly what you mean. I once had to go from northern Florida to South Carolina for work and realized it would be cheaper for the government if I just rented a car. Normally, I’d have to get the compact, but the killer salesman at the counter pointed out that if I kicked in $98 bucks of my own money, I could have a Mustang convertible for a week. That week included a day or two back in Florida, where we drove it to a concert. It was a good decision.
Brett, you’re a great host and bartender as always, but the Fantasti-Questions were exceptionally good this time. I vote for Andrew as the next Spider-Man writer at Marvel. His pitch sounds –well, Amazing. Maybe Spectacular. I feel for Peter on the whole “working for your greatest enemy” thing. There’s always the hope you can prevent or at least mitigate disaster. But hey, like you said about the thugs, we knew what we were getting into when we took the money.
Also, I’m calling your specific recipe (Glenmorangie, whiskey rocks, etc.) “Spider-Scotch.” I received a bottle of single malt for Christmas from a friend at work. It isn’t Glenmorangie, and I will be using one of those giant balls of ice, because I’m just not as manly as the Fantastic Pour. So, it won’t exactly be Spider-Scotch when I drink it– more of a close knock-off, like Scarlet Spider-Scotch.
See you next time at the Fantasti-Lounge!
Happy New Year.
Great show, apologies for taking a bit to get to it, I was away playing various sports, but I’m back now courtesy of my muscle car… actually, I had to look that phrase up.
First off, is whisky with no added ingredients really a cocktail? I think not. Which means if I ever get on this show I’m having a cup of tea, straight!
It’s always such a treat to hear Andrew guest, and here he’s introduced me to the phrase ‘Chrimbo limbo’. It is rather perfect. I was back at work on 29 December, being in the emergency service of, er, newspapers, but I don’t mind, I hate New Year.
Of course some of us got the Hannibal Hayes reference, Andrew, we’re old too – ten past eight, BBC2, Mondays.
This was indeed a great period for the Peter Parker book, heck, those covers were so good they were worth the price of admission, but story and art were great too. I recently learned that Marcy Kane turned out to be a space alien connected to Jack of Hearts… can’t Marvel just let civilians be civilians?
And yeah, Peter was a total git to Debbie Whitman.
I’ve not kept up, did Peter know Boomerang was a murder when he let him be his roommate?
PS re: your comments on my comments in the feedback, UK Uhu glue is pronounced exactly the same as US Yoohoo, that’s the point.
And how could you forget Linus’s teacher, the trombone-voiced Mis Othmar?
Great episode, guys!
I was listening in my car when Andy said, “Ditko swipes” meaning art, but I heard it as “Ditko Wipes”, and now I am obsessed with what their slogan would be. “When Your Butt Needs to be Objectively Clean!” Or “You’ll Never Question If You’re Clean Again!” Or “When Is A Not A? When It’s Not A Ditko Wipe! “
I agree with Andy that Peter was horrible to Deb. So many friends and love interests of super heroes have questioned their judgment and sanity for so many years.
My favorite love interests for Peter are the ones where you know from the start that they will never work. A few years ago, Dan Slott had Peter lose everything (it must have been a day that ends in Y) and his teammate from the New Avengers, Mockingbird, takes him in. She clearly has a thing foot trying to rescue good men who are messy (see Ka-Zar and Hawkeye), but even she can’t handle that mess.
Thanks for a great show!
I’m not in favor of ending ASM with 100 mostly because I like MJ and the Black Cat better then Gwen. Never thought much of Deb Whitman but now I realize she looks Kind of like the Arrow show’s Felicity Smoak. this episode does make me wish Frank Miller drew more Spidey comics in the old days. Dad show team? switch Jaime Summers out for Lynda Carter Wonder Woman but the idea of Bruce Campbell meeting the A team is awesome.
When Brett announced the featured spirit for this episode, my immediate reaction was, “Andrew will be grossly insulted if Brett adds anything to it!” Of course, Brett knows better than to mess up a one-ingredient cocktail! Maybe someday I’ll treat myself, but for now whenever I save up enough to indulge in good Scotch, I choose Black Grouse. It’s a blend, but I’m quite fond of the smoky, peaty taste.
Speaking of Petey taste, Peter Parker The Spectacular Spider-Man was a book I collected form issue 1! By the time this one came out, I was nearly finished with it. Hannigan’s work, especially on the covers, was keeping my interest, but the supporting cast irritated me no end. I also remember being annoyed at the conflicting romantic interests across the three Spider-Man books; Mary Jane in Amazing, Marcy Kane and Deb Whitman in Spectacular, and Cissy Whoever in Team-Up. It really felt like different Peters in each book.
Eagerly awaiting the next episode!