THE FANTASTIC POUR
Brett welcomes The Irredeemable Shag to the Fantasti-Lounge for a new edition of the Fantastic Pour! We talk Robin (Tim Drake), enjoy an Amaretto Mai Tai and read Robin #14. Join us in the Fantasti-Lounge as Shag puts his best foot forward to discuss Florida humidity, Batman costumes, Dragon Con drinking, the best Robin, And much, much more!
Secret Pour-igins: Amaretto
Cocktail: No Shoes, No Service
Ingredients (per drink)
- 2 oz spiced rum
- 1 oz Amaretto
- 1/2 oz trip sec or Cointreau
- 1/2 oz lime juice
- 2 oz Pineapple Juice
- Splash of grenadine
Instructions
- Add ingredients (except grenadine) in shaker.
- Add ice Shake well Strain in Collins glass filled with ice
- Top with splash of grenadine
- Garnish with lime wheel
Comic: Robin vol.2 #14, DC Comics, 1995
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Great episode Brett! And Shag was also there!
I don’t have anything to say about Robin, other than I helped smoke Jason Todd. Let that be a lesson to all of you.
I (ugh) agree with Shag, Florida’s beaches on the Gulf of MEXICO side are stunning. We spend every weekend there. Yes, having it be 106 in July and August is rough, but I’m willing to make that trade to never see snow again in my lifetime.
And yes, we do have DragonCon and Michael Bailey for inadvertently being the start of the network. I remember listening to that episode with MB and Shag discussing Who’s Who and thinking, “Hmm, this might be a thing.” And here we are.
Love the show as always.
Great episode, guys!
I can’t believe you assumed that I wouldn’t know who Babe Ruth was. She was the woman who signed the baseball that goes over the fence in The Sandlot. Everyone knows that!
Shag is correct (for once) that Tim Drake is the best Robin. While the recent Joshua Williamson written Robin and Batman & Robin series have redeemed Damian for me, no one comes close to Tim. The key to jumpstart Tim again is all about giving him the right new code name. My vote is for Redbird.
Almost anything would be better than “Drake”. If you are going to have a secret identity, maybe don’t go with your real last name.
Great episode and great drink. Amaretto is another favorite of mine. My grandmother used to drizzle it on her ice cream!
I have never been a huge Batman Family guy. Looking at my collection, outside of set pieces (like Year One, Two, Lonely Place), the only long runs I have are Grant Morrison’s stuff. So this was fun to listen to, especially just hearing the 90s Bat-Stuff.
I am a huge fan of Grummett mostly for his work with the Connor Kent ‘Metropolis Kid’ stuff back in Reign of the Supermen and beyond. So good. His Matrix Supergirl was superb!
Regarding this issue, the ‘I won’t kill’ mantra might have been put to the test when you see just how big the ‘Cybernetic Eye’ mechanism is! Looks like he might have de-brained the guy ripping that stuff out. Even if that didn’t kill the guy, you know have a big-ass hole leading directly to the old brain pan. Not a good thing to be walking around with!
On to questions:
Q1: Teammates:
Dick Grayson: I’d love to team him up with a new mentor, someone who was a sidekick in the Golden Age. Maybe we could resurrect Wing from Crimson Avenger?
Jason Todd: Given the anger he feels, I’d love to have him team up with Saint Walker, the Blue Lantern powered by Hope. Maybe there is an arc where the Red Lanterns are thinking of recruiting Red Hood and Walker has to step in to try and turn him before he accepts the ring?
Tim Drake: I feel like he has gone soft in recent years so he needs someone to get his blood pumping again. If I can cross universes, a 12 issue maxi teaming him with the Laura Kinney Wolverine would be awesome. She’d be all brawler; he’d be the thinker. They each adopt a little of the other. Definitely some romantic sparks.
Steph Brown: I will admit here that Steph is my favorite Batgirl, that run being just incredible. She was always so fun in the book so maybe teaming her up with someone a little more grit and ire would be fun. So Ravager.
Damian: He is trying to figure out who he is. He is living in the enormous shadow of not only his father but all the other Robins. He might have some anger issues he is trying to control. He needs a mentor outside of the Bat family. So … Supergirl. She also is living in the shadow of Superman; there are a million Superboys she is vying with including Jon Kent, and she is still figuring out who she is but is further along. A Supergirl/Damian book would be rich!
Carrie: She is from a dystopian future. She needs to be teamed with someone from a utopian future. It has to be a Legionnaire but which one. To lean into my 5YL love, I’d say bounty hunter and tracker Bounty (formerly Dawnstar). If too niche, maybe Timber Wolf.
Q2: Poached Super-villains for Tim Drake: Savant, Golden Glider, Mad Hatter, Terra Man, and Hector Hammond. I like the idea of street fighters for him, but a hot skater, a cowboy, a literature nut, and a psionic villain would give creators a broader palette.
Loved the episode!
Sincerely, guest from episode 4 !!!!
I think that I have about 90% of this volume of Robin and definitely have all the Chuck Dixon issues. He knew what he was doing in the 1990s–mostly self-contained stories of 1-3 issues with an interesting supporting cast who provide a few subplots. Robin, Nightwing, and Birds of Prey were the books that brought me back to the DC Universe after a few years away. Tom Grummett is always a delight whether it’s on Robin, Superboy, Superman, or Generation X over at Marvel.
I did a double-take when Shag said that his favorite “Doctor” was Dr. Mid-nite. I mean, in an alternate reality, this network is probably called “Fate and Water”.
I may have mentioned elsewhere a favorite story about Doctor Who fandom. Sylvester McCoy (the 7th Doctor) once met a fan whose arm was in a cast so he offered to sign the cast. The fan was really excited and told him, “I can’t believe this! This is incredible! I just can’t believe that I met my FIFTH FAVORITE DOCTOR!”
Excellent job, Brett and Shag.
Having gone through two versions of Jason Todd and Carrie Kelly, I thought, “Another Robin? Again? Really?” at the time Tim Drake was introduced. Unfortunately, around that time, I had to give up comics because of college expenses. I did go back later and pick up the Detective and Batman issues I missed and enjoyed Chuck Dixon’s Detective run with Tim as Robin…but I still haven’t picked up any of the Robin solo series.
If you’re wondering, when I started collecting, at the very mature age of 5, Dick Grayson was still the one-and-only Robin. Do you realize he’s now been Nightwing (42 years) for almost as long as he was Robin (45 years)? Jeez….Great way to make me feel old!
BTW, I HATE, LOATHE, DESPISE Damien. Can you tell I don’t like him very much?
Here’s my fantastic question: since the pour is all ages hang out .
What do think Tim drake , dick Gray son and batgirl would order food wise ?
I remember you mentioning fish tacos once .
I like Tim, but he seems to be the Robin that has been somewhat forgotten by DC. even though he had that cool black and yellow cape. I mean Dick is the original and Damian is Batman’s son with extra attitude. So Tim’s kind of stuck. Maybe the Crimson Raven would work
for a new name. I like the idea of Golden Glider and Terra Man for new villains for him, but add Captain Boomerang and maybe Gentleman Ghost.
Here’s a Kirby fact : did you know that Jack Kirby appears in the 2003 tmnt cartoon as Kirby at least that character was based on him .
And hears 2 other Kirby facts there is two drawings of the turtles done jack that did for Kevin Eastman and Peter.
Here’s a a bonus fantastic question fastball Special that you can feel free to see if one of your guests if you’d like just to throw them off their game one show . In a would where Jack Kirby did cross over with tmnt which of his characters do think that owned would work best in the tmnt universe and make the best action figure and do you think that he would use the character of Kirby, who was based on him in the story.
Brett – congrats on your 17th best episode! Sigh, I guess I will have to have Shagg on DCSC now…
Love Tim Drake. Unlike Mr. Irredeemable, I have never grown out of my Batman phase and in the 90s I was all in with the Bat family of titles. You mentioned the Dixon ones like Robin, Nightwing And BoP as the best and it’s hard to argue that.
And best Doctor – of course it is Dr Doom! Dr Mid Nite doesn’t even come 17th!
Team ups:
Nightwing and the Birds of Prey – could you imagine a title with him and all his exes? Could get Batgirl, Starfire, Huntress, that pirate girl, and maybe even Tarantula! Throw in Lori Elton as the woman in the chair and you’ve got a best seller!
Red Hood and …. Ah I don’t care.
Damian and Jon Kent is a no brainer. As 13-14 year olds. Throw in Tim Drake and Conner Kent and you’ve got a whole team!
Carrie Kelley and Rob Kelly! Catgirl and Robadoodle! The Who’s Who entry just writes itself!
Anyway great job this episode putting up with the nonsense.
Another fun episode, guys, even if I can’t shake the image of Shag’s feet from my mind. The drink sounds good and the comic sounds even better. I always say that Tim Drake is my favorite Robin because of this era of the Bat titles. Don’t get me wrong. I love Dick Grayson. Dick Grayson is one of my all-time favorite comic book characters regardless of whether he’s the Boy Wonder, substitute Batman, or, most important to me, Nightwing. But, how can you not root for Tim Drake in this comic? A hero who wants to be a hero because it’s the right thing to do. And Tim proved it this issue by standing up to KGBeast and continuing to fight to save Bullock against increasingly insurmountable odds. That’s Peter Parker level commitment there. Thanks for reminding me how good this series was. Cheers!
Thanks for another fun listen, Brett, but I hope non-alcoholic drinks aren’t really off the agenda because we’ve had one awhile back. I’m allergic to alcohol, it’s not my fault!
I loved Tim Drake and the art of Tom Grummett but I didn’t read many issues of his series because Chuck Dixon’s villains are so boring, they’re all kung fu ninjas and brutes. Also, Denny O’Neil’s period editing then bat books saw me drop them all.
I applaud Shag’s idea to have Sportsmaster be Tim’s gym coach, just so long as we get short shorts on the villain.