On this episode of Peace Bound and Down: A Wonder Woman Podcast, Sean is joined by Al Sedano from Resurrections: An Adam Warlock and Thanos Podcast, to discuss issue 14 of volume two of Wonder Woman. It’s the coda to the Challenge of the Gods and maybe the most important issue of the first year (plus) of the book. In this issue, Hercules asks forgiveness, the Amazons party, the gods conjoin, and Steve and Etta visit an attic.
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Sean, after listening to this episode, I love your wife. You’re still pretty high on my list of the Ross family, but she’s clearly tops. And yes, I can attest Al’s coffee setup is a thing of envy. It is by far the gold standard.
Coffee addicts unite!
I like a nice cup of coffee, it’s never given me a buzz though, however strong… do most people get one?
Great episode! Agree on the coffee – I have never liked it. I am an iced tea guy too. In fact my wife can’t stand coffee either.
When you were asking Al about Heracles stepping down onto Paradise Island I had the exact same thought! I did read pre crisis Wonder Woman and was very much in the “oh no don’t step on the island” camp! I vividly remember reading this at the time it came out and being surprised. Great call out.
The plot point of Hippolyta coming around to Diana being the ambassador was a stroke of brilliance by Perez (presumably) in my opinion.
Great job of course on another great issue.
Al is on to something. The pressure on the lasso of truth segment is enormous. I was originally sorry that I wasn’t quick enough to get into an episode of the show, but now I realize I dodged a bullet! (Or blocked it with my bracelets, more appropriately.)
I am glad that Heracles indeed have his reckoning with Hippolyte and the Amazons in this issue. One thing that I did notice in the opening, he doesn’t use the kindest language with Diana as she flies in both times. “No place for the likes of you” has pretty obvious connotations. But, given that he’s literally holding up an entire island, I’ll understand that he’s not in a good head space. And by contrast, his behavior later was much better.
For him stepping on Themiscyra’s ground, it reminded me of a pre-Crisis story which was *not* in Wonder Woman’s series, but a preview story printed in DC Comics Presents #41, which debuted her new uniform changing from the eagle emblem to the double-W. The fact this happened outside her own comic is a fascinating topic on it own, but my point was that story had Diana go home to ask her mother about changing her costume, just to find all of the Amazon’s in chains by Hermes and Hercules. The comment was made in that story, “Hercules demi-godhood is enough to keep the Amazons from losing their powers, but not to prevent rending them powerless after binding in chains.” The parallel to this issue’s scene is extraordinary, not to mention the roles of Hermes and Hercules/Heracles in both stories. It doesn’t feel intentional, but I appreciate it nonetheless.
Even more than Hippolyte giving Diana a new mission in man’s world, the final page with Diana and Julia gives me all the feels. Now that I’m much older than when I’d first read this issue, and a father twice over with kids in college, their reunion choked me up on this re-read. “As if I’d let you live anywhere else.” Absolutely. (Real estate shenanigans, aside.)
Great episode, guys!
Here’s my secret question:
Pick the three best movies to explain the true meaning of Christmas to the Amazons .
What three movies would you choose
One animated . One black and white and one color .’
Your description of Wonder Woman and Hercules looking sexy when they’re landing on Paradise Island sent me straight back to issue 14 for a reminder, and yes, Perez obviously enjoys drawing a chunky monkey.
My favourite example of a couple getting back together is the two characters in Kiss me Kate, Fred and Lilli, cos you get great song and dance, AND a character named Lois Lane.
Al should try the UK Fry’s Turkish delight, it’s covered in chocolate and is just .lovely
This was a great episode focusing on a truly great issue to cap off the first year or so of Perez stories. Sean, my wife also had a problem with the glimmer of a Heracles and Hippolyta romance in this issue. And just like Al did on the podcast, I responded by saying, “Well, that was how many thousands of years ago?” But yes, while I appreciate the redemption of Heracles angle and the forgiveness shown by the Amazons, you can do that w/out coupling Hippolyta w/ her former abuser a la Luke and Laura on General Hospital.
On to the secret questions, when y’all asked about a cable movie that was always on, I said out loud, “Eddie and the Cruisers!”. I loved this movie. I had the John Cafferty and the Beaver Brown Band soundtrack and still know every song by heart. Eddie was Springsteen w/ a dose of Jim Morrison and a splash of Elvis. When we had HBO for a short while ca. 1984-85, I watched it at least a dozen times. I’ve even referred to a certain NJ university (Fairleigh Dickinson) as “Fairly Ridiculous” for years because of a line in the movie.
Another one that played quite a bit was the comedy “Midnight Madness”. The plot is a city-wide scavenger hunt competition between several teams. There are so many actors that you recognize from other things like David Naughton, Stephen Furst, Dirk Blocker, Eddie Deezen, and in his movie debut, Michael J. Fox.
Happy holidays, Sean, and as always, thanks for this podcast!
Great show as always! My favorite panel was Dionysus’s perfect upside down wine pour on page 10.
I’m not crazy about the Amazons letting Hercules off the hook, I guess as you guys said, it can be explained somewhat since they’re immortals and time passing can heal even the most horrific wounds.
I do take umbrage with the Steve Trevor part of the story. Not that he and Etta dust the attic the hard way while his aunt is setting the table (good for them), it’s that his aunt’s place is described as a “modest rural home” in Oklahoma. Modest? That place has at least five bedrooms based on the size of it! Man, I wish real estate worked in real life like it does in the DC Universe. Of course, when it comes to real estate, nothing can beat Julia’s fleet of homes. Each one has its own library! Sean might be right about each house has a husband buried beneath it.
I love this show, looking forward to a new year of it!