On this episode of Peace Bound and Down: A Wonder Woman Podcast, Sean is joined by Billy D, host of Magazines and Monsters and many other shows, to discuss Wonder Woman Vol. 2, Issue 19! It’s finally time for Diana to face off with her nemesis, Circe! Can Diana survive? Is Julia a secret bada$$? And what happened to Mindi Meyer?
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The iconic Spider-Man story you were talking about is “If This Be My Destiny”, a four-parter with the famous “will yourself to lift impossible weights” scene in the final issue, #33. Peter spends most of the story thinking he’s chasing a new villain called the Master Planner, only to discover it was actually Doctor Octopus all along.
I have a mercury fact among the many names
He’s used is quick silver .
I think that name shows in collection of children stories .
Here’s a secret question for you
After this adventure what do think Diana
And her crew had to eat (I’m hungry as I write this )
Here’s a big coincidence. The Huntress Podcast crew is covering the Helena Wayne backup stories published in Wonder Woman vol 1. For the issue they just covered this month, #305, the villain was pre-Crisis Circe. The fact that they also covered an issue months ago with pre-Crisis Silver Swan is uncanny! I know this was not deliberate, but I like to think George is watching this from the Elysium Fields and laughing about the connections nerds make.
I may have missed a discussion on this, but I remembered the first page or two of this comic’s panels are all lifted from the end of last issue’s, with different word balloons. Clever story-telling technique, or time-saving artistic choice, what do you think?
Is “moly” pronounced “molly” or “moley”? (Like Billy Batson’s Holy Moley!) I kept thinking the latter, but I’m pretty clueless about that.
The repetitive “Diana fights, Circe blasts” cycle made me think of the kinds of scenarios my childhood friends and I would make up when we played superheroes. Which is to say, they weren’t that good, but we had fun at the time. Unless there was some point to the repeated action, but I’m not feeling it. It really needed a moment for Diana to say “not this time” to give her a heroic moment. I think you hit it on the head, George was still finding his way writing.
Finally, I’m so surprised to get not one but two credits for doing the math for Julia’s age and showing my work. I learned well in school. 😉 Happy to help!
I’ve always heard ‘mole-ee’. It has to, to rhyme with ‘holy’. I’m pretty sure ‘Molly’ is something a tad naughtier.
HICKS!!! THE GUY FROM ALIENS WAS HICKS
Best off-screen death?
Poochie the Dog: “I have to go now. My planet needs me.”
Note: Poochie died on the way back to his home planet.
One of the most egregious off screen departures from a show was Kevin Costner as John Dutton in Yellowstone. Writer’s must have had a nightmare time doing the last season without him.
Also always enjoy hearing my name mentioned with fondness Sean. Do you still want me on one day?
Great episode and how interesting to hear Billy talk about a relatively modern comic, and a Wonder Woman comic no less. Circe is pretty kick-ass in this story and the idea of devolving Diana to clay is a great evil deed.
Secret questions:
Off screen death: I would say Hicks/Newt dying in Alien 3 was a gut punch. It was compounded exponentially because Alien 3 sort of sucks. Not good. Since that one was mentioned, I’ll do a deeper cut. In the Godfather, when the mob war is happening, Sonny Corleone kills Bruno Tattaglia (the son of Don Tattaglia) off screen. It is mentioned almost in passing. That act further escalates the mob war and leads to Sonny being gunned down. That then leads to a truce. But if you aren’t listening, you might miss that key event.
Overcoming: Very early on in New Teen Titans, Cyborg out-presses a weight his robotics shouldn’t be able to handle. He says he needed to know that his will could somehow allow him to push through the limitations of his mechanics. I think that was great.
Moore question: First off, thank you for the kind words about my coverage of V with Billy. I am loving doing it, seeing things I haven’t seen before. For sure, just based on the condition of issues/trades, V For Vendetta is my favorite Moore work. But Swamp Thing and Miracleman are always close behind. I haven’t read much of Strong/Promethea stuff, a hole I should probably deal with.
Always a great show!
Nice job Sean and Billy, it’s fun to hear your take on the final issue of this oh-too-brief storyline. Of course Julia is handy with a rifle!
‘Kickball’? ‘Bread basket’? Are you guys speaking ancient Themyscyran? Actually, I did learn a word this episode, ‘docent’. Is that a well-known word over there? Sounds posh! Anyway, great story Sean, I love to hear about the chaperone trips.
That cover is really attractive, but it does suffer from George giving us a little too much – just take away that inset of Julia and her Greek buddies and it’d be perfect. And the drapes. Plus the blanket on Circe’s massage bench. The coffee table. Maybe a couple of this daft wee beasties…
Talking of massage tables, Sean, your latest suggestion for bringing peace to Man’s World would wreck my serenity, well, what there is – I’ve tried massages and I get sooooo tense. Add Enya’s tinkly tunes and I’d likely kill myself.
Alan Moore’s best work could be, heck, lots of things. I remember when he was just working for Marvel UK and Warrior and a fanzine editor I was pals with told me he was taking over Swamp Thing and it was a big secret… I hoped he’d do OK. I really do love his Swampy, and his Captain Britain, and yes, Top 10… but have you read Supreme? Amazing!
Talking of Moore brings me to the secret question about best or worst offscreen death. I’d say worst, and that’s Pete Ross’s reported slaying in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow… Superboy’s best friend deserved so much better. Justice for Pete Ross!
Agreeing with my little brother Ryan on Poochie’s death being the greatest off-screen death.
How old are you, Sean? for some of us, Enya songs meant someone was getting busy in a college dorm. That’s just the facts, man.
Someone killed Mindi Meyer? What’s this leading up to?????
Great to hear Billy on this podcast! I am a huge fan of the All-Star Squadron so his podcasting on that series is much appreciated.
As far as “hero extends himself to the max” moments, there is a neat scene in Uncanny X-Men #124 when the X-Men are in Arcade’s Murderworld. Some buzzsaw bumper cars are menacing Nightcrawler and Cyclops. Scott takes all of them out using a single optic blast that ricochets eight times. He comments that he hasn’t tried that stunt in ages indicating that he wasn’t at all sure that it would work.
Regarding Alan Moore, I suppose that I am like a lot of people in that my favorite among his work is Watchmen (still the gold standard as far as I am concerned) and “Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow”. I’m a little odd in that I’ve never read his Swamp Thing run (minus the “Anatomy Lesson” published in that Best of DC Digest, V for Vendetta, or Miracleman/Marvelman. I did read the ABC Wildstorm books. Tom Strong and League of Extraordinary Gentlemen were my favorites out of that bunch. I just couldn’t get into Top 10 or Promethea.
And my wife gives you two big thumbs up on bringing peace to man’s world through massage.
Great episode, Sean and Billy D. I love George Perez, but holy crap is there a Greek god of exposition? And when Circe isn’t talking, the story is: Diana in chains. Diana breaks free. Circe knocks out Diana. The guy from “Riptide” checks on Diana. Repeat. Not George’s best story, but the art is still amazing.
It was nice to see Julia take time away from checking on her olive oil/money laundering production to lead a band of French Resistance Greeks to take out Circe and save Diana. Nothing will stop Julia from protecting her cash cow.
The best moment of a hero overcoming unsurmountable odds has to be Jon Snow in the Battle of the Bastards. Yes, he was bailed out by the Knights of the Vale, but he still survived and took out Ramsey.
The most egregious off-screen death has to be Mitch McConnell.