On this episode of Peace Bound and Down: A Wonder Woman Podcast, Sean is joined by the enigmatic Eric Isaacson from The Longbox Review to discuss issue 12 of volume two of Wonder Woman. Are you ready for to learn the origin of Diana’s name, standard, and the gun on Paradise Island? What is the connection between Diana and Steve Trevor? And what is up with Pan?
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Spotify is the only app for listening to podcasts that’s not blocked at work. However, I cannot, for the life of me, find the PB&D show on there. There may be something wrong with posting this show’s feed. If not, could someone help me with a Spotify link, if possible? Thanks in advance.
Not all FW shows are on Spotify, it’s up to the host. Even those shows that ARE there may not be complete because Spotify goes through strict copyright purges where even short needle drops might get an episode removed (on our end, it’s a pretty terrible service, comparatively).
So Peace Bound and Down is NOT on Spotify, it’s not that you can’t find it. It’s up to Sean if he wants to do that.
Keith – Thanks for listening and writing in! I am currently working on getting the show uploaded to Spotify, so I will hopefully have everything in place soon.
Ok here’s this secret question a lot of movies are getting released to big screens. Let’s say wonder woman ends going to movies with her crew which classic movie do think they would see . Clash of the titans (original version) back to the future part three (I like westerns ) or Star Trek 2 the wrath of khan ?
It’s gotta be Clash of the Titans, though I think Diana would turn hey nose up at it. Perhaps even at movies in general.
Damn you both for making me tear up with the father stories…
The secret questions on this episode were surprisingly emotional.
Host and guest,
How does this keep getting better and better??
Best Dad memory – my dad gave me a pony ride to breakfast everyday when I was a kid. One day, he just asked which Star Wars figures I’d like. I told him and he did his best to get them. He really tried to make me happy even as kid and has remained my hero my whole life. You talked about seeing the end — my dad has congestive heart failure that he’s working to control through diet and exercise. But I know we’re getting close to the end and every day I have him is truly a gift.
Best Mom memory – While there are so many from which to choose (I’m a big mama’s boy), I think it has to be the first time she held my son. I’d never seen her happier and that’s something I will carry with me always.
Oh, Husky jeans. Yeah, I had them, too. The jean manufacture just should have printed “fat ass” or “chunk style” on the jeans’s seats. Nothing beat the feeling of folding a pair of these trouser tends and seeing how wide that butt section was. Oh, how it extended so far outward, trumping the width of the rest of the pair of pants! Just the best for a kid’s self-esteem.
Best patriotic costume: Jack Flag. Who else can pull off a combination of Grifter/90s teenage skater? Here’s the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Flag
DAG – Thanks for sharing. Watching my mom age has been tough at times, but it’s also a reminder of how precious the time we have is.
I love that your dad took the time to find out which Star Wars figures you wanted. I try to do the same for my daughter with manga, though I often have to ask several times because the names of the series are so crazy.
I’d never seen that character before and I love his costume! His face is the flag!!!
“Hellmouth that is Oklahoma”
Where’s the lie, Sean? Where’s the lie?
Oh man. Those father stories hit hard. Thanks to both of you for sharing those.
“Captain EO moment.” Deep cut.
Wonderful episode, gents. This will definitely tide me over until the next episode.
I am pretty sure that Captain EO turned into Star Tours, which is a win overall, but I wish we could still see EO on request.
Great episode covering this issue which really deepened the legend of this Wonder Woman and the Trevors.
Wonderful stories of fathers and mothers.
Some secret questions for me:
Star-Spangled costume – I think I have to go old school (boring) with Captain America because I loved how the red/white stripes are encorporated into the blue scale mail armor with the single star. Perfect.
Journey into Hell – I have to say the Alan Moore Swamp Thing Annual where Swampy descends into Hell to save Abby Arcane’s soul. It is almost a sort of Divine Comedy as Swampy is ushered through the realms by Phantom Stranger, the Spectre, and the Demon. There is a moment when Swamp Thing runs into Anton Arcane’s soul being tortured and Arcane asks ‘how many centuries have I been down here?’ and Swamp Thing says ‘you died yesterday’. It just puts the concept of ‘eternal damnation’ into a very concrete sense of time.
Worst crossover – 25 years later I am still PISSED about Hawk & Dove being the Armageddon 2001 patch. As Shag might say, that is the albatross around Hawk and Dove’s neck. They have never recovered. So sad. Heck, in the Hawk and Dove Armageddon annual, Waverider says ‘neither of these heroes could EVER be Monarch’. Idiotic.
Worst crossover (honorable mention) – not the worst crossover but the worst timing. Supergirl had a tumultuous first 3 years of her solo title when she was brought back to the DCU. Sterling Gates and Jamal Igle come in with #34, basically retcon the other stuff away, establish a new locale and supporting cast and secret identity. The train seemed to be back on the tracks. #35 – thrust into New Krypton. Her title needed some time to breathe under the new creators before the mega-story. Alas …
Best/worst revelation – Best Revelation – Alec Holland wasn’t a muck-encrusted mockery of a MAN, he was a plant that thought he was a man. And an elemental no less. That was a radical character change that not only stuck but worked. Worst revelation – Black Cat became the sultry criminal because she was date-raped in college (in that Kevin Smith mini series). I don’t know if that still is canon. But it made her a strong, independent woman to a victim.
Great coverage and discussion!
Dr. Anj – Thanks for listening and writing in. I LOVE that Swamp Thing Annual as well. It had a profound impact me when I first read it and it is what I think about when I think about Abby and Swampy as a couple. Well, that and the tuber-fueled sexcapade issue.
Anj, Hawk and Drove fans unite! I’d forgotten that fact about the annual, which made the reveal all the more unpleasant.
Great choice for best revelation. That one is a classic!
Journey into hell? Hi, it’s the “Empire Strikes Back” Degobah cave scene calling…
Cheers, Sean and Eric, for a typically enjoyable listen. Wonder Woman no.12 is a great issue, very well plotted and executed. As regards what will be the main talking point of the issue, I don’t think Hades’ skirt is that short, heck, it could do with being taken up an inch or two… Diana Trevor and Hippolyte both have shorter lengths.
I love the idea of Eric patrolling the streets as a kid! Surely it’s time for a comeback…
Condolences to you, Eric, on the recent loss of his father, and well done to you, Sean, for looking on your late father with the most generous of eyes.
I’d never heard of Sedona, Arizona, until this week, it’s the setting for Robin and Supergirl’s adventure in the new World’s Finest.
In the UK Eurydice is always pronounced ‘Yoorie-dissee’.
Ah, Susie Q is a type of confectionary! I’ve only heard of ‘Susie Q’ in relation to Ben Grimm occasionally calling Sue Storm that back when Marvel was good. I’ve had a look online to see what the sweet is all about, and I honestly can’t see what’s enticing about the thing, it looks like the most disgusting artificial concoction ever, like a something brown, organic and stinky sliced through with fake cream. Is there anything in there that doesn’t come out of a lab?
As regards starry, starry costumes, Citizen V is a great choice. I agree the second Star-Spangled Kid/Stargirl has a great look, even if I do always see Yankee Poodle from Captain Carrot.
Anyway, roll on next episode, and hopefully the return of house-heavy Bad Mom Julia!
Martin – Thanks for listening and writing in. Suzie Q’s are a Hostess product (like Ding Dongs or Twinkees), but on the less popular end. They are basically a chocolate cake sandwich with whipped cream in between. They are awful for you but are equally delicious.
Yankee Poodle is a great choice!
Martin, thank you. Also, I second what Sean said in regards to both Suzy Q’s and your Yankee Poodle choice!
Most memorable comment/image in my head as I am driving – Pan wet whispering in Zeus’s ear.
My dad drives me crazy now but I have great memories growing up. He encouraged all reading and made sure I read all kinds of stuff and never looked down on comics which many parents did in the 70s. He would go into work on Saturday morning and I would go with him. We would stop at the corner store before the office and I would get a bunch of comics to read while he was working. Very fond memories of that.
Paul,
Thanks for listening and writing in! I love stories of people’s parents buying them “shush and stay busy” comics. So much of my early collection were comics I was given to keep me busy while I had to hang out while my mom worked.
This issue has been the highlight for so far as I re-read along with the podcast. Amid all the action in mythological worlds, Perez keeps it grounded in the relationships between father and mothers and sons and daughters.
My Dad passed away a little over 8 years ago, but I have so many great memories. He never graduated high school, but I don’t know that I’ve ever met anyone with more “interpersonal intelligence”. As we say back home, he never met a stranger. He aided and abetted my comic book reading when I was growing up, even though he always referred to them as “funny books”. If the latest bundle of comics hadn’t been put out on the spinner rack at the newsstand, Dad would often ask an employee if they would cut them open for me so I could have the first crack at the latest Who’s Who, All-Star Squadron, or New Mutants.
Dad worked with the police department and emergency services in our little town and so he often worked on Sundays. So Mom and I would be on our way home frm church and we’d stop by that same newsstand. Mom would send me in with money to get the Sunday paper and one comic. Most of the time, I came back w/out change and 2 or 3 comics. She could never get too upset with me for buying comics or any other book for that matter.
As far as best star-spangled costumes and characters, Cap is my favorite Marvel hero and it’s hard to beat Courtney Whitmore aka Stargirl. Martin Gray also mentioned Yankee Poodle whom I also like.
Best Revelation? Recently, I quite liked the revelation that there is another tribe of Amazons who actually settled in the Amazon rainforest. They are called the Esquiceda and one of them is Yara Flor, the newest Wonder Girl.
Worst Revelation? It wasn’t enough that Tom King had to kill Wally West in a huge massacre at the beginning of Heroes in Crisis. Then, the big reveal toward the end was that Wally was somehow responsible for that massacre. Ick.
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And from Marvel, Chuck Austen’s X-Men run wins for the revelation that “mutants are immune to HIV”. That came out of nowhere.
Great show and thanks for introducing me to the Longbox Review. I plan to give it a listen soon.
Super Captain,
Thanks for writing in. Your dad asking to get you access to the newly delivered comics is such a sweet story. It’s awesome how these small kindnesses are what we remember when are loved ones are gone.
I have blocked out Chuck Austin’s X-Men run for my own well being, but I do remember that random moment when Angel days that mutants can’t contract HIV. That is a weird writing choice amongst a run of weird choices.
I hope you like what you hear! 🙂
Great show, guys! This may have been my favorite issue of the series to date as well as my favorite PBAD episode. So well done. I always loved this cover by Perez with the sense of desperation mixed impending doom. His dark inks sold the feel of this cover so well. Just incredible.
Dad story: when I was in middle school, I biked over to my dad’s house. My folks were divorced, but my dad only lived a couple miles away. I came in the house and walked up to the loft where he was watching a hockey game. As soon as he saw me, he turned off the TV and asked me how I was doing. For some reason, it always stuck in my head that instead of turning the volume down or talking over the sound of the game, he immediately turned it off to hear what I had to say. Even though I know he loved the Flyers. It was a simple thing, but signified that what I had to say, was more important. And that I mattered to him. I mean, I always knew that, but sometimes small gestures like that stick with you for whatever reason. I lost my dad earlier this year. The last time I saw him before he passed, I told him about that time, and how I’ve always tried to implement that now that I’m a father. To always make sure that my kids know they’re being heard. And that they matter.
Mom story: I grew up in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, so it was not uncommon to get mice in the house. One of my mother’s greatest traits is her empathy. To this day, I remember her insisting that instead of getting mouse traps we just try to get them to leave. Surprisingly, those negotiations didn’t work and other means of persuasion had to be used.
Favorite star-spangled costume: Apollo Creed at the beginning of Rocky IV of course! Although it didn’t end that well for Apollo…
Keep up the great work covering this amazing series. Too bad Julia wasn’t the Manhunter.
Rocky fights great, but Apollo is a great fighter …. except against Drago.
Brett, I love the story about your dad. It was a great reminder to me to do the same with my kiddo.
Apollo’s outfit is legendary. Great call!
Julia as the Manhunter would’ve been awesome, as is your choice of star-spangled character!
Here’s a second secret question: if paradise island got sega genies what games be in Diana and her mother’s collections 5 each since they would be starting collection feel free to save this question to spring on your guests as I’d like to hear their thoughts as well. I’m a big sega fan if you can’t guess.
I’m from Massachusetts and I’ve genuinely never heard of Suzy Q’s! (This doesn’t necessarily mean we don’t have them here; I just never look for those types of snacks at the supermarket). But my mom always made the most delicious pumpkin whoopie pies in the Fall! It’s still one of the things I associate most with this time of year.
Keep up the great work! I’m now a huge Wonder Woman fan because of this phenomenal podcast.
Whew! I’m really late writing in, but I’ll keep it brief. The meeting of Diana and Diana is THE moment of this series. I could barely keep myself from reading ahead, because this payoff for the plot points laid down in issue #1 is one of the most satisfying ever. I know it’s not perfect, but I simply adore it, and how it motivates Wonder Woman going forward in subtle fashion. And back in the day, a year was a long time to get to this payoff. With today’s storytelling, this wouldn’t have happened until issue #49, as the lead-up to an issue #50 blowout!
And hooray for the least sensible Manhunter reveal, which is saying something. But in good news, the crossover disappears 2 issues from now. Hang in there.
Great job, Sean and Eric!